On the evenings of June 8 & 10, 2021, AHRMA’s Board of Trustees met via Zoom video conference to review rules proposals for the 2022 racing season. A summary of the proposals, including the preliminary Board decisions, can be found below. Members are invited to provide feedback in the comment area at the bottom of this page prior to July 24, 2021.
Voting Trustees were:
June 8:
Kevin Burns, Luke Sayer, Fred Guidi, Arthur Kowitz, Brian Larrabure, Albert Newmann, Jim Korn, Rob Poole (7:20pm), Tim Terrell, Beno Rodi and Kelly Shane.
June 10:
Kevin Burns, Luke Sayer, Fred Guidi (7:20pm), Arthur Kowitz, Brian Larrabure, Albert Newmann, Jim Korn, Rob Poole, Tim Terrell, Beno Rodi and Kelly Shane.
Absent from both sessions: Luke Conner
Final voting is tentatively scheduled to take place starting on July 26, 2021. Each Trustee’s initials are listed by his/her actions below.
The votes recorded below are votes for/against the proposed change; If “yes”, the preliminary vote is in favor of the proposal, if “no”, the preliminary vote is against the proposal. Underlined wording would be new for the 2021 Handbook, a strike-through indicates wording proposed to be removed.
Reminder: These are the preliminary Board decisions. Members are invited to review the votes on each of the proposals prior to the next Zoom meeting and comment at the end of this page. Final determinations (votes) will be made at the Zoom meeting which starts on July 26.
Questions or comments on the rule proposals may only be submitted in the comment section at the end of this page. Deadline for the comment period is midnight Central time, July 15, 2021.
NOTE: In order for readers to readily identify the rule you are commenting about, PLEASE INCLUDE Section # and entry # at the beginning of your comment.
General
3.3.2 Technical Inspection
All riders’ protective clothing and equipment must be scrutinized and passed by Tech Before a rider’s motorcycle is approved. The selection of the clothing is the rider’s prerogative. AHRMA ‘s competition logo patch 4″ x 2″ must be on riders’ protective clothing on riders’ left side between 4-6 inches below the shoulder . (Paul Elledge / entry #4229)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote, FG Seconded
June Board: No (unanimous)
Bylaws
Magazine title Vintage Views AHRMA MAG Keeping the Past Fast(Reese Dengler / entry #4176)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, KB Seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 10 no)
Section 9. General Roadracing Rules
9.2.1
Next Gen Superbike lightweight into Next Gen Superbike middleweight
Next Gen Superbike Middleweight four-stroke into Next Gen Superbike
Any Next Gen Superbike Lightweight or Middleweight two-stroke into Open Two-Stroke
(Bill Doran / entry #4275)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote, JK Seconded
June Board: Yes (unanimous)
9.3 f) Oil Containment
Oil containment systems are required on all road racing machines. Oil containment pans on wet-sump engines must be designed to hold the capacity of the engine sump with nominal reserve. Containment pans must cover all areas capable of generating an oil leak including side covers and frame mounted oil coolers. Pans must come forward and rearward enough to cover catastrophic engine failure. Material used must be durable, fastened safely, and removable for inspection, if required.
All machines fitted with split or two-piece fairings must be fitted with an internal oil containment system. The pan must have a retaining dam at the rear. Two-stroke and dry-sump machines must use a pan with a minimum capacity of one quart, or approved oil-absorbing material covered with an impermeable layer of material and a screen backing, and fastened securely. Oil-absorbing material, securely retained in the bottom of the pan, is strongly recommended. The inside of all pans must be clearly visible for inspection upon exiting the race track. All oil containment systems are subject to approval by technical inspection. (Carrie Andrew / entry #4211)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote, AN Seconded
June Board: No (unanimous)
9.5 NUMBERS AND NUMBER PLATES
9.5.3 All vintage roadrace numbers must be black on a white background, except: Sportsman, black numbers on “school bus yellow” background, and Novice Historic Production, red numbers on white background, Sports-man and Novice Historic Production machines use 10×12-inch rectangular number plates; all others use rectangular plates 10×12-inches or oval plates no smaller than 9×11-inches. Machines without fairings (e.g. Historic Production, Classic 60s etc.) can use number plates.
9.5.6 Numbers must be at least seven- six inches high in the front and five inches high on the sides, block style, with a stroke width of one inch and legible. There must be no less than 1/2-inch of space between numbers, and between the numbers and the outside edge of the number plate. If a rider’s assigned number will not fit into a 9×11-inch oval, a larger background may be used, up to a 10×12-inch
9.5.7 All machines must display three numbers plates — one mounted on the front and one on each side, mounted in such a manner that it will not be blocked by the rider in the normal racing (seated) position. If there is not a suitable location on the bodywork, number plates can be used. 10×12-inch rectangles or 9×11-inch ovals are preferred. (Chris Jackson / 4155)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote, JK Seconded
June Board: No (unanimous)
9.5 NUMBERS AND NUMBER PLATES
9.5.5 BoT, SoS and SoT machines may use any number plate background color; numbers can either be black or white, whichever provides the best visibility. Formula Lightning machines must use a green number plate background color; numbers can either be yellow, white or black. (James Christiansen / entry #4185)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote, JK Seconded
June Board: No (unanimous)
9.6.5 (In the second paragraph)
Only those riders that earn points in at least one race in each of the 3 designated regional championship rounds will be eligible for a national championship.
A rider must score points in at least two events to be eligible for national series award
(Brian Larrabure / entry #4268)
Committee Recommendation: None
Discussion: KB motioned to vote, KS Seconded
June Board: Yes (8 yes / 2 no / 1 abstain)
9.8 MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BATTLE OF TWINS ®, SOUND OF SINGLES®, AND SOUND OF THUNDER
9.8.1 d) Engine
6) sparkplugs, clutch plates, clutch springs and oil filters may be replaced; an aftermarket slipper clutch may be fitted. (John Waverka / entry #4175)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KS motioned to vote, AN Seconded
June Board: Yes (8 yes/3 no)
9.8 MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BATTLE OF TWINS ®, SOUND OF SINGLES®, AND SOUND OF THUNDER
9.8.1 k) Induction
3) Entire OEM airbox system must remain without modifications. may be removed. Gen 1 SV650s (1999-2002) may use flat slide carburetors. Air filters may be replaced. Airbox drains must be sealed. Crankcase vent hose must remain routed to the airbox. Crankcase breathers may be modified or replaced. If airbox is removed, crankcase vent must route to a 120z. leak-proof catch can. (Bob Demetrius / entry #4170)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: JK motioned to vote, RP Seconded
June Board: No (2 yes/9 no)
VINTAGE ROADRACING
10.? 200cc LEMANS
Any 0-200cc (with maximum allowable overbore) Grand Prix or Formula kitted motorcycle built before December 31, 1975.
a) All races to be run with a stand still, dead engine, Lemans style
b) No performance restrictions.
c) Class is running as an exhibition
(Richard Brodock / entry #4227)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AN motioned to vote on the proposal, KB seconded
June Board: No (7 no/4 abstain)
10.2.1 500 PREMIER: Any fully GP-kitted 500cc OHV/OHC or 750cc sidevalve four-strokes built before December 31, 1968, and like design. Among the eligible machines are:
Benelli, “works” fours
Bianchi 500 “works” twin BMW Rennsport
BSA 500cc twin or single “works” or replica, up to B50 BSA B50 prohibited
(Rob Poole / entry #4197)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: JK motioned to vote on the proposal, KB seconded
June Board: No (1 yes/ 9 no/1 abstain)
10.2.1 500 PREMIER Any fully GP-kitted 500cc OHV/OHC or 750cc side valve four-strokes built before December 31, 1968, and like design. Among the eligible machines are:
Benelli, “works” fours
Bianchi 500 “works” twin
BMW Rennsport
BSA 500cc twin or single “works” or replica, up to B50
(Allen Wenzel / entry #4266)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, LS seconded
June Board: No (1 yes/ 9 no/1 abstain)
10.2.5 200 GRAND PRIX PLUS
Husqvarna 175cc, 1974-1982
(Laf Young / entry #4146)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AN motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: No (unanimous)
10.2.5 200 GRAND PRIX PLUS
HondaMR175
(Bill Doran / entry #4152)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: Yes (unanimous)
10.2.5 200 GRAND PRIX PLUS
Aermacchi /H-D 250cc long stroke (66mm bore X 72mm stroke) and 250cc short stroke (72mm bore x 61mm stroke) wet clutch, original back bone chassis, maximum 30 mm carburetor ( i. e, up to 1965 1966 only ) (John Fitzer / entry #4265)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, KB seconded
June Board: Yes, provisional through 12/31/2023 when it will go through the rule proposal review process again (unanimous)
10.2.6 10.2.7 TWO-STROKE CLASSIC GRAND PRIX
(Bill Doran / entry #4153)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: JK motioned to vote on the proposal, TT seconded
June Board: Yes with rule # qualified as 10.21 (unanimous)
10.2.7 TWO-STROKE CLASSIC GRAND PRIX
a) Machines from the period 1974-1984. Made-to-race liquid-cooled GP machines or replicas using high quality craftsmanship and period design.
b) Frames of steel or aluminum, period designs, not Deltabox style.
c) 250, 350 classes run together but score points separately.
d) Period 18″ wheels.
e) No upside down forks or other non-period components
Two Stroke Classic Grand Prix
Intent
For Grand Prix or Factory road racing 2 stroke motorcycles of 250/350cc, built from Jan 1974 – December 1984. Only genuine race bikes are allowed, modified street bikes are not eligible.
Approved Motorcycles
Any Genuine 250/350cc Gran Prix two-stroke machine manufactured from 1974-1984 is eligible.
Examples are,
Yamaha TZ 250/350
Kawasaki KR 250/350
Bimota TZ 250/350
Spondon TZ 250/350
Harris TZ 250/350
Maxton TZ 250/350
Armstrong-Rotax 250/350
Nicco Baker TZ250/350
Requirements and Modifications For Two Stroke Classic Grand Prix
- General
- Only genuine race bikes are allowed, modified street bikes are not eligible.
- Like design does not apply to this class for motorcycle eligibility.
- No replica parts allowed unless they are exact copies of originals.
- All motorcycles are to use 3 white number plates. See section 9.5 for additional requirements.
- Competitor must comply with all applicable parts of sections 1-9 of the AHRMA handbook.
- All modifications must be performed to a high standard of fit, finish, and workmanship.
- Engine
- All engines must be parallel or tandem twins, no “V” twins allowed.
- All engines must retain stock bore and stroke.
- No flat slide carburetors allowed except period Lectrons. Power Jet are allowed.
- Motorcycles must be naturally aspirated.
- No reed valves.
- Motorcycles must have period style exhaust. All exhaust systems must be equipped with an effective silencer; open pipes or open megaphones are not allowed. See rule 9.3.h.
- No electronic traction control or quick shifters allowed. Lap timers are allowed.
- Chassis and Frame
- Frames must be steel or aluminum in round or square tube, no Deltabox allowed.
- Frames may be braced and strengthened, period modifications only. Subframes may be modified or altered.
- Period swingarm swaps allowed.
- Rear shock may be replaced. Twin shocks can reposition the mounts.
- Forks must be of the conventional right side up type.
- Wheel size is as follows, 18 front, 18 rear; 17 front, 18 rear. 16” wheels are allowed. Wheels must be of the period, spoke, mag, Astralite etc.
- Calipers must be axial style twin piston. Dual rotors is allowed.
- No restrictions on tires, Slicks, DOT, or rain tires are allowed. Tire warmers may be used.
- Bodywork
- Fuel tank and bodywork must be OEM or accurate replicas. Bodywork design must be of the period, 1974-1984.
- Oil retention belly pan must be used on all machines. (see rule 9.3.f)
- Machines will not pass tech with unpainted bodywork, bodywork in primer or bodywork that is damaged.
- Period OEM and Race Team paint schemes are encouraged.
(John Turner / entry #4262)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (9 yes / 2 abstain)
10.3.1 A REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR F750:
b) Fairings are required, at minimum a quarter
(Bill Doran / entry #4276)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: No (2 yes / 8 no / 1 abstain)
10.3.6 REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR FORMULA 125/250/500
All engines may use Keihin CR Special carburetors in all Formula classes. Honda four-cylinder machines may use Keihin CR Special carburetors in all Formula classes. Maximum 26mm for CB350/400 fours in Formula 250 and Formula 500.
(Kevin Dinsmoor / entry #4219)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (8 yes / 1 no / 2 abstain)
10.4.1 A REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR CLASS C
d) 1) Single-cylinder/single carb: Dell’Orto SS1, Amal GP or Amal Monobloc to 32mm (1-1/4”). Amal Mk1 Concentric (600, 900 or 1000 series) to 34mm (1- 5/16”).
(David Tomkins / entry #4180)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: No (0 yes / 9 no / 2 abstain)
10.4.2 A REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR PRE-1940
3) Twin-cylinder/twin carb: Dell’Orto SS1, Amal GP, Amal Monobloc or Amal Mk1 Concentric (600 or 900 series) to 28mm (1-1/8”), Bing Type 53 26mm.
(Keith Sutton / entry #4151)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: Yes (10 yes / 1 no)
10.4.3 CLASSIC SIXTIES
Among the eligible machines are:
…
Norton Manx: 500cc Norton Manxes are limited to the pre-1954 “long Stroke” (100mm stroke) engine.
…
(John Rickard / entry #4196)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, BL seconded
June Board: No (Unanimous)
10.4.3B REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR CLASSIC SIXTIES
g) Brakes must (sic) of the period (i.e., two-shoe-type drum). Later-model BSA and Triumph drum brakes are allowed. (Manx Norton may use original four-shoe, seven-inch front brake). Minimum wheel diameter is 18 inches; maximum rim width is WM3 (2.15-in). OHC machines must use minimum 19-inch wheels, front and rear.
(John Rickard / entry #4195)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: No (Unanimous)
10.6 NOVICE HISTORIC PRODUCTION
10.6.1 This class is intended for novice and returning non-professional veterans, not seasoned At the referee’s discretion, riders who are obviously too fast for the Novice History Production class (remainder unmodified…)
10.6.2 Eligible Novice Historic Production (remainder unmodified…)
10.6.3 Eligible Novice Historic Production (remainder unmodified…)
(Gregg Bonelli / entry #4228)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, BL seconded
June Board: No (Unanimous)
10.6.1 RIDER ELIGIBILITY
RIDER ELIGIBILITY: This class is intended for novice and returning non-professional veterans, not seasoned racers. At the referee’s discretion, riders who are obviously too fast for the Novice Historic Production class may be moved to a more appropriate class (remainder unmodified)
(Gregg Bonelli / entry #4257)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, BL seconded
June Board: No (Unanimous)
10.6.4 REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR HISTORIC PRODUCTION CARBURETORS
b) EXHAUST SYSTEMS: (this portion is unmodified…) Two stroke engines must may use production street exhausts from the time period, any manufacturer. No Provided the stock OEM headpipe is used, expansion chambers are allowed provided they are constructed in keeping with the vintage design scheme as shown in the illustration which consists of a single taper cone connecting the head pipe to a single taper cone which connects to a straight midsection of once diameter, which connects to a single taper cone, that connects to a final single taper cone and then a single diameter tail piece or stinger that has a silencer attached limiting noise output to 103 decibels. (schematic illustration transmitted to Kevin Burns by separate email)
(Gregg Bonelli / entry #4258)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (Unanimous) 1 year provision, expires 12/31/22
VINTAGE SUPERBIKE
10.8.2 REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR VINTAGE SUPERBIKE
b) ENGINE
3) All round-slide carbs are allowed (Keihin CR, Dell’Orto, Mikuni “smoothbore” and like design). Flat-slide carbs are not allowed. Pumper carbs may be used, but the pumper mechanism must be disabled. 4 valve per head 1025cc four- cylinders may use carburetors up to 29mm and 2 valve per head 1025cc four-cylinders may use carburetors up to 31mm or the stock constant-velocity carburetors that were original equipment on that machine.
(Dave Crussell / entry #4177)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, TT seconded
June Board: Yes (9 yes /1 no / 1 abstain)
10.8.2 REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR VINTAGE SUPERBIKE
b) ENGINE
3) All round slide carbs are allowed (Keihin CR, Dell’Orto, Mikuni “smoothbore” and like design). Flat-slide carbs are not allowed. Pumper carbs may be used, but pumper mechanism must be disabled. 1025cc four-cylinders may use carburetors up to 33mm 29mm, or the stock constant-velocity carburetors that were original equipment on that machine.
(Mark Danke / entry #4198)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, FG seconded
June Board: No (10 no / 1 abstain)
10.8.2 REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR VINTAGE SUPERBIKE
c) CHASSIS AND FRAME
9) Only treaded modern racing compound tires are allowed. No slicks. Rain tires are allowed and may be hand-cut. Tire warmers are permitted.
All racing tires are allowed including DOTs and Slicks.
(Carrie Andrew / entry #4210)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (9 yes / 2 abstain)
NEXT GEN SUPERBIKE
10.9.2 NEXT GEN SUPERBIKE 2
Among the eligible machines are:
Aprilia RSV Mille, Mille R, Mille SP and Replicas (Haga and Edwards). Bikes are limited to first generation Mille only.
Ducati 851, 888 with 996 engine; Ducati 916, 916SP, 916 Corsa and 916R; Ducati 996, 996S, 996SPS, 996RS. All Ducati motorcycles must use Desmoquattro engines only, no Testastretta engines, heads or components. Ducati 748, 748R, 748RS may compete, provided engine capacity has been increased by modifying bore and/or stroke to a maximum of 996cc.
Honda RC45, RC51 SP1, RC51 SP2
MV Agusta F4 750 ORO, S, S 1+1, SPR, 1999-2004. 750cc models
Kawasaki ZX7R, ZX7RR models included are L, M, N and P1-P7 Suzuki GSX-R750 N thru X (SRAD) K3, TL1000R
Yamaha R7, YZF750R, YZF750SP
Approved motorcycles must have been available for sale in North America.
(Eric Bracken / entry #4263)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: No (11 no – unanimous)
10.9.5 NEXT GEN SUPERBIKE 3
REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR NEXT GEN SUPERBIKE 3
Approved motorcycles must have been available for sale in North America. Approved Motorcycles,
All Next Gen 2 machines.
Bimota Models 1988-2006, SB6, SB6R, SB7, SB8, SB8R, SB8K, YB6, YB8, YB9, YB10 and YB11.
Ducati 996 & 998 all models including Corsa and RS
Ducati 999 all models including the S, R, RS and FO models, 2003-2006 MV Agusta F4 1000 models, 1998 to 2006
Honda models, CBR900RR, CBR919RR, CBR929RR, CBR954RR and CBR1000RR 1992-2005
Kawasaki ZX10R 2004 to 2005
Suzuki GSX-R750 2000-2004
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2001 to 2004 Yamaha YZF-R1, YZF-R1 LE 1998-2006
Requirements and Modifications For Next Gen 3,
- GENERAL
- Engine, Frame, swingarm and bodywork must be from the same make and
- AHRMA’s “like design” rule does not Exceptions will be written in the rules.
- All street equipment must be
- All motorcycles are to use three white number plates/backgrounds of approx. 10”x12”, with one on the front center of the fairing and one on each side of the motorcycle. Numerals shall be black, at least 7” tall, block style, without serifs, with a stroke width of one inch and legible. See section 9.5 for additional
- Competitor must comply with all applicable parts of sections 1-9 of the AHRMA handbook.
- All work and modifications must be performed to a high standard of fit, finish, and workmanship.
- ENGINE
- All machines must retain stock bore and
- Engines must be from the same make and model as the frame. All manufacturer engines should be period correct (see approved motorcycle list). Engine parts may be updated only if they are directly
- The use of race-type crankcase covers or welded/braced OEM covers is allowed and encouraged, for safety purposes
- Bikes must use fuel delivery type as fitted from the OEM carburetors may be replaced with any style or carb size. Fuel Injection systems may be modified, both programming and throttle body size.
- Motorcycles must be naturally
- Motorcycles must have period-style
- Only 2000 to 2006 era electronic traction control, wheelie control or telemetry are Quick shifters and lap timers are allowed.
- Period components and superbike engine modifications allowed.
- CHASSIS AND FRAME
- Frame must be from a production , period aftermarket or factory built race motorcycle listed under the “approved motorcycles”
- Frames may be braced and strengthened to period modifications Brackets and tabs for street equipment may be removed. Frames may be polished, painted, or coated. Subframes may be modified or altered.
- Swingarms must be purpose built for the same make and model as the frame. Bracing is allowed using round or rectangle aluminum tubing Bracing may not be “sheeted” or enclosed. Period aftermarket or OEM kit swingarms are allowed.
- Rear shock may be replaced or modified but cannot be repositioned. Suspension rockers, linkage etc. may be replaced or
- Front forks may be replaced with kit (Ohlins or equivalent) forks. They can be conventional or upside down. Replacement forks must be of the period. No later model forks allowed, period gas-charged forks are
- No restrictions on wheel size, although period-appropriate appearance is strongly Carbon fiber wheels are not allowed.
- Carbon rotors are not allowed. “Wave” or “petal” rotors are allowed. Perimeter rotors are not
- Radial calipers are allowed. No perimeter calipers
- No restrictions on tires – slicks, DOT, or rain tires are allowed. Tire warmers may be used.
- BODYWORK
- Fuel tank and bodywork must be OEM or accurate street or race replicas, from the same make and model of the frame. Material construction of bodywork and tank is unrestricted.
- Rear fender may be
- Oil-retention belly pan must be used (see rule 9.3.f).
- Machines will not pass tech with unpainted bodywork, bodywork in primer or bodywork that is
- Period OEM or race team paint schemes are strongly encouraged.
(John Turner / entry #4274)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: Yes (8 yes / 2 no / 1 abstain)
SIDECARS
10.10. b DRIVER AND PASSENGER
b) DRIVER AND PASSENGER:
Drivers and Passengers of Sidecar outfits shall meet all current AHRMA requirements listed in section 3.4 RIDER ELIGIBILITY and 9.1 RIDER
ELIGIBILITY. Passenger must be 18 years of age with an AHRMA race membership, a working knowledge of the Sidecar outfit and an understanding of AHRMA/racetrack rules. Passenger may wear leather high-top footwear that covers the ankle and is duct – taped to the bottom edge of the leather pants. The Passenger may only serve in this capacity unless section 3.4 RIDER ELIGIBILITY and 9.1 RIDER ELIGIBILITY are met. (Roger Preston / entry #4205)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: RP motioned to table for committee re-wording AN seconded
June Board: Approved (9 yes)
10.10.1 a) VINTAGE SIDECAR (SC1): Front-exit sidecars. Air-cooled, one-or two-cylinder, two-or four-stroke, built before December 31, 1967.Two-stroke350cc maximum, reed valve prohibited. Four-stroke, 650cc overhead valve and750cc side valve maximum. Carbureted only. Fuel injection, supercharging and turbocharging are prohibited. No short-stroke engines permitted. Stock stroke length and stock bore with allowable overbore (see 9.7.2.c). Motorcycle-based powerplants only. (Roger Preston / entry #4207)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: No (9 no – unanimous)
10.10.1 b) SUPER VINTAGE SIDECAR (SC2): Front-exit sidecars. Air-cooled, one-or two-cylinder, two-or four-stroke engines, built before December 3 1, 1972.Two-stroke, piston-port only, reed valve prohibited, 500cc maximum. Four-stroke, 750cc maximum. Carbureted only, 34mm maximum venturi. Fuel injection, supercharging and turbocharging are prohibited. Stock stroke with crankshafts phased as per the manufacturer’s intent and stock bore plus allowable overbore with allowable overbore (see 9.7.2.c). Stock valve sizes. Motorcycle-based powerplants only. (Roger Preston / entry #4206)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, KB seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 8 no / 1 abstain)
10.10.4.1 ENGINES: Air-cooled, one- or two-cylinder, two- or four-stroke engines, built before December 31, 1972. Two-stroke, reed valve prohibited, 500cc maximum. Four-stroke, 750cc maximum. All engines in this class are restricted to stock valve sizes and carb venturi diameter of 34mm. Carbureted only. Carburetor restrictor plates, f Fuel injection, supercharging and turbo charging are prohibited.
Other rule(s) affected: b) SUPER VINTAGE SIDECAR (SC2): Front-exit sidecars. Air-cooled, one- or two-cylinder, two- or four-stroke engines, built before December 31, 1972. Two-stroke, piston-port only, reed valve prohibited, 500cc maximum. Fourstroke, 750cc maximum. Carbureted only, 34mm maximum venturi. Fuel injection, supercharging and turbocharging are prohibited.
(Dan May / entry #4225)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, TT seconded
June Board: Yes (10 yes – unanimous)
Sound of Singles / Battle of the Twins / Sound of Thunder
9.2.1 (bump up classes)
Next Gen Superbike lightweight into Next Gen Superbike middleweight
Next Gen Superbike Middleweight four-stroke into Next Gen Superbike.
Any Next Gen Superbike Lightweight or Middleweight two-stroke into Open Two-Stroke
(Bill Doran / entry # 4275)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (10 yes – unanimous)
SOUND OF SINGLES / BATTLE OF THE TWINS / SOUND OF THUNDER
MISSION STATEMENT
SOUND OF SINGLES/BATTLE OF TWINS/SOUND OF THUNDER HISTORICALLY UNDER-REPRESENTED MODERN
MOTORCYCLE MISSION STATEMENT:AHRMA’s mission is to showcase single-, twin,-and three-cylinder, and electric motorcycles which historically have been under-represented in modernroadracing. The Battle of Twins concept was born in the late 1980s as modernSuperbike racing became increasingly dominated by inline four-cylinder machines.BoT racing kept alive the thunderous roar of twin-cylinder machines from British,European,and American manufacturers. Sound of Singles racing features moderninterpretations of the classic single-cylinder racebike, encompassing everything fromproduction bikes to one-off custom-built machines. (Arthur Kowitz / entry #4253)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, BL seconded
June Board: Yes (10 yes – unanimous)
10.12.1
d) SOUND OF THUNDER 4 (SoT4): Any single (under 400cc) or twin (under 350cc) that is based on a production motorcycle sold in the US. Honda CBR 300. Kawasaki Ninja 250/300. KTM RC390R/Duke, Suzuki GSX 250R, Yamaha YZF-R3. (Eric Watts / entry #4169)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: No (9 no / 1 abstain)
10.12.1
d) SOUND OF THUNDER 4 (SoT4):
Machines of 400cc displacement or less, single or twin cylinder based on production models sold in the US which include but not limited to:
Kawasaki Ninja 250, 300 & 400 all years Yamaha R3 all years
KTM RC250, 390, 390R including RC 390 Cup bikes
Rules per Superbike spec but must retain O.E.M forks, wheels, rotor size and single disc. Age restrictions to apply. Minimum rider age 30. (Bob Robbins / entry #4214)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: JK motioned to vote on the proposal, FG seconded
June Board: No (9 no / 1 abstain)
10.12.1 b) SOUND OF THUNDER 2(SoT2): Any AHRMA Sound of Singles or Motardmachine; liquid-cooled twins to900cc; unlimited air-cooled twins; triples up to675765cc; and two-strokes to 250cc are allowed. (John Beldock / entry #4194)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (9 yes / 1 abstain)
10.12.1 c) SOUND OF THUNDER 3 (SoT3): Harley-Davidson XR1200, pushrod OHV twin-cylinder machines to 1000cc, OHC two- or three-valve twins to 805cc, SOHC liquid- cooled V-twins up to 750cc (plus overbore),OHC liquid-cooled four-valve twins to 650cc, OHC liquid-cooled four-valve single cylinder to 690cc, Pushrod OHV machines over 900cc must run under Supersport specifications (see (9.8.1). Suzuki SV650, Kawasaki 650R, Buell XB9R, KTM Duke 690, KTM SMC 690, Ducati 800SS, Monster limited to Supersport specifications (see 9.8.1); Kramer EVO2 limited to Supersport specifications (9.8.1 c) through n)) otherwise must compete in SoT2. Thruxton Cup Challenge eligible machines may compete (see 10.14). Ducatis up to 750cc originally fitted with carburetors (e.g., 1991-‘98 750 Supersports and Monsters) must meet the mechanical requirements in 9.8 a) through m) only, with the additional requirement being they must use OEM or aftermarket carburetors. H-D XR1200 and Ducatis up to 805cc originally fitted with fuel injection (e.g., 750SSie, 800SS) must run under Supersport specifications (see 9.8.1). Machines originally equipped with 18” wheels may convert to 17” wheels. (Bill Gillis / entry #4192)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: No (10 no / 1 abstain)
10.15.1 b) SOUND OF SINGLES 2 (SoS2): Liquid-cooled single-cylinder four-stroke machines to 450cc and liquid-cooled single-cylinder two-stroke machines to 300cc. Air-cooled single-cylinder four-stroke machines to 610cc and air-cooled single-cylinder two-stroke machines to 400cc. (Bill Doran / entry #4218)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: Yes (9 yes / 1 no / 1 abstain)
10.16 OPEN TWO STROKE: Any two-stroke motorcycle is eligible, regardless of displacement, number of cylinders, frame type, cooling type, or date of manufacture. See Section 9.8 for additional mechanical requirement
The class will be divided into 3 subclasses regardless of the age of the motorcycle, 125cc, 250cc and > 251cc (open) class.
(Dave Crussell / entry #4178)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: JK motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 10 no)
10.18 FORMULA LIGHTNING
a) Battery-powered bikes must have a peak measured voltage of 125 volts maximum.
(James Christiansen / entry #4182)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, LS seconded
June Board: No (10 no / 1 abstain)
10.18 FORMULA LIGHTNING
d) All racebikes shall have a plainly-marked, easily-accessed emergency disconnect switch on the handlebar (within reach of the rider with his/her hands on controls), plus a tether fastened to the rider that disconnects all sources of power should the rider become separated from the bike.
A documented software/hardware function that disables motive power when the bike is horizontal can replace the tether.
(Richard Illman / entry #4142)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: BL motioned to vote on the proposal, JK seconded
June Board: Yes (10 yes / 1 no)
10.18 FORMULA LIGHTNING
d) All racebikes shall have a plainly-marked, easily-accessed emergency disconnect switch on the handlebar (within reach of the rider with his/her hands on controls), plus a tether fastened to the rider that disconnects all sources of power should the rider become separated from the bike.
(James Christiansen / entry #4183)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: Duplicate to 4142
June Board: No vote
10.18 FORMULA LIGHTNING
e) Racebikes shall have an audible horn operated by a handlebar-mounted
(James Christiansen / entry #4184)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote on the proposal, KB seconded
June Board: No (11 no)
VINTAGE MOTOCROSS
11.1.1 PREMIER LIGHTWEIGHT: Certain pre-modern era machines,150-250cc. Eligible models include:
*unchanged eligible models*
Husqvarna 3-speed Silver Arrow and other specials based on this engine.
a) Ineligible are all models of Yamaha, Suzuki, Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa, alloy-barrel Maico, Husqvarna and Greeves (unless Villiers powered). Refer to Sportsman and Classic classes.
(Allen Wenzel / entry #4230)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: FG motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: Yes (11 yes – unanimous)
11.1.3 PREMIER 500: Certain pre-1965 and like-design, non-unit construction (removable gear box) of 350-500cc and unit construction of 360-500cc. (Eligible exceptions: Matchless or AJS 600cc single using original, non-Norton oil pump crankcases with standard stroke and bore (+.080”); Examples of eligible machines include:
*unchanged eligible models*
Jawa 350cc Typ 575, etc.
(Allen Wenzel / entry #4231)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KS motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: Yes (11 yes – unanimous)
11.3 MOTOCROSS RIDER GRADING SYSTEM
Novice classes are as follows: Premier, Classic, Sportsman, Open Age, 40-60, 60+ and Women. There are no displacement classifications in any Novice class. Novice classes shall not be combined with any Intermediate or Expert class. All Novice classes shall run in Novice-only motos.
(Richard Bryant / entry #4148)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: TT motioned to vote on the proposal, LS seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 7 no / 3 abstain)
POST VINTAGE MOTOCROSS
12.2.5 Gran Prix Four-Stroke: Certain 185-580cc Four-Stroke powered motorcycles that came just after the Historic Four-Stroke class period. Eligible motorcycles and modifications include:
All Honda XR185, 200, 250 and 500 models produced with dual-shock rear suspension Four Valve CCM’s
Yamaha TT 250 & 500 with more than 9″ of suspension travel, front and rear. Suzuki DR models, to include the 1982 DR500Z
Kawasaki KLX models
Period specials that meet the class requirements
Can-Am Sonic & Husqvarna 510 TE, TC & TX models are prohibited. (See Ultima Four-Stroke Class)
(Allen Wenzel / entry #4261)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AN motioned to vote on the proposal, FG seconded
June Board: Yes (11 yes – unanimous) 1 year provision, expires 12/31/22
12.1.3 HISTORIC 250
1975-’78 Honda CR,MT,MR,XL 175/200
1979-’84 Honda XR 185/200 (Dual rear shock models only, “R” models with Prolink single shock see ULTIMA class)
(David Kinser / entry #4147)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, TT seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 10 no)
12.1.3 HISTORIC 250: Certain 126-250cc machines built up to and including the 1977 model year that made up the first generation of long-travel motorcycles. Eligible machines include:
1980 -84 Honda XR 200, 1st generation with twin rear shocks
(Richard Colohan / entry #4172)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, RP seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 10 no)
12.1.7 POST VINTAGE 100cc (Due to the shortened 2020 season, provisional status will continue for 2021.)
(Michael Bickley / entry #4222)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, FG seconded
June Board: Yes (11 yes)
OBSERVED TRIALS
SECTION 13 – OBSERVED TRIALS
(The italicized note below should appear after the final sentence of SECTION 13 – OBSERVED TRIALS Mission Statement.)
Note: A 3 year moratorium on adding new observed trials classes is in effect beginning in 2022.
(Debbie Poole / entry #4144)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KS motioned to vote on the proposal, KB seconded
June Board: No (4 yes / 6 no / 1 abstain)
DIRT TRACK
These rule proposals were reviewed / motioned / voted on as a package with the exception of entry #4239, therefore individual rule motions/votes will not be recorded in this section.
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: Yes (Unanimous)
SECTION 14. DIRT TRACK
Dinosaur
Classic 250
Classic 500/750
250 Framer
Super Senior
Seventies singles
Seventies two-stroke
Seventies singles 50+
Four stroke super singles
Seventies twins
(Richard Brodock / entry #4239)
14.3 TT CLASSES
All 14.3 TT classes should be the same as 14.2 Flat Track classes. (Richard Brodock / entry #4250)
14.2 FLAT TRACK AND TT CLASSES
Other rule(s) affected: 14.3 TT CLASSES (eliminate the entire TT class section) (Arthur Kowitz / entry #4255)
Note: Committee strongly urges to include “No front brakes allowed on Flat Track machines”
14.2.? LIGHT VINTAGE:
Open to all machines 1990 and older under 300cc. Custom Tubular racing frames allowed. (Richard Brodock / entry #4232)
Committee language change – under up to and including 300cc.
14.2.? HEAVY VINTAGE:
Open to all machines 1990 and older 301cc and above. Custom Tubular racing frames allowed. (Richard Brodock / entry #4234)
14.2.? LIGHT BRAKELESS
Open to all machines 1968 and older under 300cc. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model, an aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson.(Richard Brodock / entry #4235)
Committee language change – under up to and including 300cc.
14.2.? HEAVY BRAKELESS
Open to all machines 1968 and older 301cc and bigger. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model, an aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson. (Richard Brodock / entry #4236)
14.? A rider is allowed to receive a waiver, at no charge, exempting the rider’s machine from all DT equipment eligibility rules except for: engine displacement, model year of engine, and safety items.Upon receiving the waiver, the rider will remain eligible to win or podium (including trophies) in his/her class, but only receive 80% of the normal championship points for his/her finish. Waivers are available upon request at trackside registration. (Arthur Kowitz / entry #4251)
14.2.4 SPORTSMAN 100125: Motorcycles using 88-100125cc two-stroke or 88-123cc fourstroke production engines in either production or aftermarket racing frames of the period (up to 1974 and like design). Engines must have been manufactured for 100125cc or smaller displacement machines; engines originally manufactured as 125cc or larger than 125cc may not be downsized for this class. Eligible machines include but are not limited to:
(Arthur Kowitz / entry #4260)
14.2.10 SENIOR 50+: Riders age 50 or older on any Sportsman ahrma class-eligible machine. (Richard Brodock / entry #4237)
14.2.7 SPORTSMAN 750:1974 and earlier machines manufactured as 601-750cc,including like-design models. Eligible machines include:
(no change)
a) Aftermarket swingarm frames are allowed, including Champion, Cheney,Redline, Rickman and Trackmaster.
b) 1972- up alloy-cylinder H-D XR750s are prohibited.
c) Norton 850s are prohibited.
38mm Maximum fork diameter (Richard Brodock / entry #4238)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: RP motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: Yes (Unanimous)
CROSS COUNTRY
15.1 PRO CLASS
Any rider that has ever raced professionally or is a AA rider in a competition circuit on any size or type of eligible machine. This class would be in both Vintage and Post Vintage races.
(Lloyd Loux / entry #4149)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: No (11 no unanimous)
15.1.3 Next Gen 1: In most aspects, machine eligibility and other requirements mirror those of AHRMA Next Gen 1 motocross (Section 16), with the exception being engine displacement; regardless of original displacement, engines may be built to the class limit (plus allowable overbore) The minimum age for riders is 16 years. Each of the following classes is further divided into Novice, Intermediate and Expert skill-levels.
a) Next Gen 1- Any size or type of eligible Next Gen 1 or Pre-Modern (Expert, Intermediate or Novice class only)
b) 60+ Next Gen 1- Any size or type of eligible Next Gen 1 or Pre-Modern Motorcycle. (Expert, Intermediate or Novice class only)
(Steve Kirby / entry #4150)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: LS motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: No (11 no unanimous)
15.1.1 VINTAGE
g) 60+: Riders age 60 to 64 and Riders 65 t0 69and older on any size or type of eligible vintage machine.
(Sanford Quickel / entry #4174)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: KB motioned to vote on the proposal, FG seconded
June Board: No (1 yes / 10 no)
15.3.3 RACE PROCEDURES
Dead-engine starts are encouraged. Live engine start. Left hand on top of helmet. Those who ride automatic bikes will have right hand on top of helmet.
(Scott Price / entry #4137)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote on the proposal, AN seconded
June Board: No (11 no)
Enter Comments/Questions Below
NOTE: In order for readers to readily identify the rule you are commenting about, PLEASE INCLUDE Section # and entry # at the beginning of your comment.
Daniel Beher July 23 2021 9:00 PM
I object to the following proposed rule changes to Dirt track class changes:4250,4234,4236,4255.
Obviously whoever presented these has never read the Mission Statment Section 14 in the AHRMA Handbook.
Brakeless flat track bikes have always been limited to 500cc overhead valve and 750 side valve engines, incressing displacement will not increase class size
It will only obsolete the bikes racing in that class now.
4255 Flat track bikes have never had front brakes so that statement means nothing unless 4255 means front brakes on TT bikes. If that is what is ment by the statement ,TT bikes have always had front brakes, riders who use them properly have a great advantage.Whats next a rule to take the front brakes off MX bikes?
SECTION 14. Given the enormity of this proposal to eliminate classes, I would propose a one year study period prior to any action taken. It’s simply too much to process as a single, one time change this year.
I strongly object to the proposed changes to the dirt track class structure (Entries #4239,4232, 4234, 4235, 4236, 4237, 4238 – Brodock and 4251-Kowitz). I have been an AHRMA member since 1993 and race DT, VMX, and Road Race. My bikes are designed around the AHRMA class structures. While refinement of classes is to be expected, and inclusion of “new” vintage machines is necessary to evolve the organization, I reject the need for a wholesale revamp of the dirt track classes. AHRMA has spent decades developing these classes and ensuring fair competition and bike coverage. This new structure would render some of the bikes I’ve spent years dialing–in, e.g. my Dinosaur bike, a 1950 matchless 500 single, useless. I know that there are many other such conflicts that would arise from the proposed changes. I recommend rejection of these rule change proposals and continue with the current classes.
Thanks, Dave Kaufman #C73 (AKA AJSDave)
(Submitted by Joe W. Koury on 7/21/2021) Regarding 10.2.5, entry 4152. I find it hard to believe I’m going through this again. Last October, after Barber, you voted in my favor to leave the Honda MR175 eligible for the 200GP Plus class. What changed? What is the reasoning? I have provided the technical specs. It is a like design model to the Yamaha CT1. Who are you getting your information from regarding the MR175’s capabilities as a roadrace bike? Bill Doran thinks the CR125M and MT125R parts (top end) will interchange with the MR175. They will not. He is misinformed. The MR175 was/is a slug. It will be a challenge to make it competitive. I just want to build a two-stroke. My son just wants to ride a two-stroke. As I stated last year, if the bike is too fast, I’ll gladly move it to 250GP. (Just for the record, my son does not want to race Formula 125.) There is currently a Yamaha YCS1 competing in 200GP and 250GP that has been gutted, the cases modified, and the cylinder hacked, welded and modified to more modern specs (not unlike the illegal cylinder on the Latimer CT1 that was allowed to compete in 200 GP). It is clearly 5-10 MPH faster on the straights. It should be moved up a class; clearly and ‘index of performance’ issue here. I want to build my son a bike to compete with this YCS1.
But here’s the rub, and I don’t appreciate it one bit. This is not about year of introduction or like design, it’s about fairness: adding a model and then changing your minds. When the MR175 was added to the 200GP Plus list of eligible models, I was excited to build a new race bike for my son. I bought a bike after a pretty exhaustive search. It was out of state and required even more time and money to acquire. I started accumulating suspension and brake components, engine parts, body parts, wheels, spokes, sprockets, etc. I did extensive research on frame geometry and began modification of the frame. Long story short: I invested a sizeable amount of money and time on this project, only to be preliminarily shot down by a misinformed vote. The build was back on after the October vote, but it took a back burner to building my new house which will be done soon. I planned to resume the project this winter after moving into my new shop. It is pretty remarkable AHRMA would approve a bike for a class and then yank it without any regard to whether or not someone was building that model.
It’s not fair at all to pull the rug out from under a member who only wants to add another bike to the grid. I’ll inquire once again. What changed between the October vote last year and the preliminary decision this year to reverse this? I need to know so I can decide if I should find something other than race bikes to spend my hobby money on.
9.5 NUMBERS AND NUMBER PLATES, ENTRY #4155
I posted on the Facebook group to generate some more discussion about this proposal. I think by and large the membership does support these changes. I understand that there are some concerns about number size and hand-scoring, but I do not think those are realistic concerns.
Firstly other orgs (i.e. USCRA) are able to run full hand-scoring on all races with numbers smaller than ours. Secondly, anecdotal evidence shows that the rule we have now is not really enforced. Less than 1/4 of the numbers currently used comply with the rules. Non-compliance is so widespread that AHRMA officials have taken to simply allowing numbers that are “legible” in their opinion. The letter of the law, and our common practices should not differ so greatly.
I urge the board to reconsider their decision, and reach out to me with any further questions or comments.
John S. Parker
14.2 FLAT TRACK & TT CLASSES
Other rule(s) affected: 14.3 TT CLASSES (eliminate the entire TT class section)
ENTRY # 4255
I totally agree that the TT need not be a part of AHRMA flat track racing. While TT racing was popular in a few venues such as Ascot Park, CA and Peoria, IL, it is too specialized for our “modern day” vintage motorcycles and too hard on the equipment. Many of us have raced TT but not too many of us look forward to it. It is something that has been necessary when one is involved in a points competition. It is not fun. Let’s keep both wheels on the ground and turn left.
John S. Parker
14.2.7 SPORTSMAN 750
38 mm Maximum fork diameter
ENTRY # 4238
I can see no reason or justification for changing the 35 mm fork rule, a mainstay of vintage racing. That is , unless the rule change was proposed for personal reasons. Of course many rule change proposals are for personal reasons and that is understandable. But when the rule change proposal benefits none but the proposer it should be rejected out of hand.
John S. Parker
14.2.10 SENIOR 50+
ENTRY # 4237
Two important considerations for the board:
First, I agree with Carl Anderson (above) that we need to be careful when we attempt to cut down on dirt track classes, but we need to find ways. For that reason I propose that we eliminate the SENIOR 50+ and leave in tact the SUPER SENIOR 60+ class. Making the age class more for younger riders will, I am certain, discourage the older riders and keep them away. Historically, the SUPER SENIOR 60+ class has been the better attended of the two age classes. Many in the SUPER SENIOR 60+ are actively participating and competitive into their 70s. And let’s face it, 50 is not old!
Second, motorcycles should absolutely be limited to SPORTSMAN legal machines. The older riders are the ones most likely to own a 1974 or older flat tracker. Again, I am certain that opening up the age dependent class to PRO type ROTAX motorcycles will negatively affect turn out of the older riders. There go the older riders and the older bikes with them. We need to be promoting vintage racing in AHRMA, not just finding and additional venues for sliding around on a ROTAX.
John S. Parker
14.2.4 SPORTSMAN 100/125
ENTRY # 4260
Please just drop this class all together. We tried it for a few years and there is simply little to no interest. Too many blanks on the score sheet.
Considering the big success of 200gp roadracing and 100 Sportsman VMX, I thought this would work. Perhaps we try it again after we make the entire program healthy again?
John S. Parker
14.2? LIGHT BRAKELESS
ENTRY # 4235
I think the board should be honest. If you are dead set on including the 1968 YAM DT-1 in the Classic 250 class then leave the current rule in place for all other motorcycles and provide a special one year (1968) inclusion for the original YAM DT-1. If you were to change the general rule to 1968 it would then open up to OSSA Stiletto, Montessa Capra GP and Bultaco Pursang MK3, among others. And by the way, leave the rule at 250 cc since nobody at that time even thought in terms of 300 cc.
AHRMA BOD.
I strongly support RCP #4150 to add Next Gen bikes up to 1999 to the Cross Country race format. Here in the Mid-Atlantic Region we expanded this year to 3 races: Vintage, Post-Vintage, and Disc Brake. The Disc Brake race includes Pre-Modern (front disc), and Early Modern, and Pre-2K bikes with 2 disc brakes. The change has been well received with an average of approx 35 entries in the DB race. Many of these racers are getting exposed to the benefits of AHRMA XC racing for the first time…and subsequently showing up with 2 bikes on the trailer…having added a V or PV bike. In addition, we are allowing Women and Novices to enter all three races if they have the appropriate bike. We no longer discriminate against either group by making them race in the V race only. That change has also been well received. I see that the XC R&E Committee recommended RCP #4150 for approval. Please reconsider your decision.
Richard Colahan, 16126
Regarding rules proposal #4268 ~ requiring a result in each of the three regions in order for a racer to qualify for a national championship.
I believe the intent of this rule proposal is twofold ~ To encourage racers to travel beyond their region and to mirror the old AMA rule where a racer couldn’t earn a national title without leaving their region. As evidence, for the past several years, the RR schedule has deeply favored racers living in the southeast, allowing them a minimal amount of travel to earn a national title whereas, racers in the in other areas have had to cross the Mississippi multiple times in order to win a national. Perhaps a compromise is to require a racer to compete in at least 2 of the 3 event regions or require at least one trip over the Mississippi ~ ie East come West or vice versa one time in the competition year. I suppose the other solution is to reimagine the schedule and balance out the event locations to allow for a more equitable travel load for all members.
Dave, I would prefer to see what you are suggesting, with only the real race machines as the European series does. But we’ve been running since February and how many have been entered so far? I have seen 3 machines all year I think. I think we need replicas, but I did not mean street machines in GP bodies. I meant if someone went out today and welded up their own frame that looked like a period Spondon, North, Harris, etc.
I’m ok with that Carl. Just some we make it clear it’s not street machines in fairings. I like the idea of creating new frames from period designs to get more machines on the track
can’t figure out why the dirt track committee won’t allow alloy XR-750’s don’t we want to see these valuable and vitally historic machines race? Doug Horner
10.2.7 request #4262. Could you review the add of a couple more frames TZ250/350 Rob North Low Boy frames and the Kel Carruthers Low Boy (which Kel borrowed Rob’s design).
I would also like to see the class start as written. As A pure true GP vintage class. I do not agree with Carl A allowing replicated machines and reed valve street machines. Let’s start off and see if we can get the real machines 1st. We have enough of non original period correct machines on the other vintage grids. If the class doesn’t develop then open it up.
10.4.3B, #4195. This rule change will encourage greater participation in this underutilized class of older bikes by improving equity between Norton Manxes and other bikes in the class.
Presently all bikes in Classic Sixties are limited to two shoe front brakes except Norton Manxes, which are allowed to use four shoe front brakes.
From the start of Manx production in 1946 through 1961 Norton Manxes were made with two shoe front brakes. Only in their last year of production, 1962, were they made with four shoe brakes. Manxes were raced for many years with two shoe front brakes just like all other bikes in Classic Sixties are required to have.
Four shoe front brake Manxes can race in 500 Premier.
Rule Propoasal #4260 is requesting that Sportsman 100 be changed to Sportsman 125. There is already a Sportsman 125 class listed under the support classes.
I strongly oppose entry 4268 by Brian Larrabure on the proposed change to 9.6.5 in its entirety.
9.6.5 This proposal answers a question NOBODY is asking. Most Ahrma members are working folks, so travelling to 3 regions is out. This would be a perfect way to run members off, discourage new memberships, and reward the few while penalizing the many. 2 regions is enough to show a dedication to our club. Attendance is up. The racing school is usually full. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. 10.2.7 These proposed rules for the new Two Stroke Classics class EXACTLY mimic the ICGP rules. Good idea. However, if they don’t allow 17′ wheels, We shouldn’t either. I can see one of our rounds {Barber, Laguna Seca?} being Homologated into the US ROUND of the ICGP, bringing european riders over to race with us again. 17s would kill that….
Keith, You make a good point. I would very much like to see the European ICGP machines visit AHRMA once again.
STRONGLY AGREE. Stop making rules to make it harder for members to participate and compete.
Proposal for 9.6.5 #4268
There are many reasons I reacted with concern to this proposal. I am a new member and learning as I go. I am enjoying the completion and friendships. I also know the time dedication and measures I go through to make the travel/race weekends work for the availability of vacation time. To move to a requirement of racing all 3 regions does not stop me from racing the same number of races, but splitting my time to stay more local since there could be no hope for chasing a championship. I feel this deters members in consistent attendance of AHRMA sponsored races. I think AHRMA needs to did deeper to find why members may have low attendance in particular regions. Penalizing those who still work or have less resources lowers the level of competition and availability to current and future racers considering joining AHRMA.
Based on this proposal I reflect on this scenario.
Person A wins 10 races and only go to 2 regions.
Person B gets 3rd in 3 races (actually just has to finish all 3 or just does one lap to get scored) in 3 regions and is the only one to race in all 3 regions.
By the logic of the rule proposal, person B wins the championship.
Does this shine the light on the professionalism AHRMA is currently portraying?
I truly enjoy being part of AHRMA and this is my individual opinion, but would like you to consider all the logic, scenarios and the strategies in all rule proposals to ensure a strong future for AHRMA.
#4268 – This just seems like a way to block those who are unable to travel as much from winning championships. It doesn’t benefit for the average AHRMA racer.
#4170 – Opening up the air box on gen 1 SV650’s would be a good way to bring them back into competitiveness for SOT3. They are already 5-10 hp down on a stock gen 2 SV, and all fuel injected bikes are able to run quick shifters, fuels maps, etc. that give them even more of a legal competitive edge.
#4198 – With the vintage cup coming up next year, any rules that affect engine performance should not be change until after next season. Too many people are in the middle of building bikes for that class, and changing the rules to benefit a few bikes without any data on performance index is not fair for the rest of the class.
Another member vote in favor of SoT4 change from Eric Watts for entry #4169.
And a vote for no on #4268- most members are unlikely to be able to take the time off from work to make the travel feasible.
Having a smaller number of dirt track classes may be a benefit to rebuilding the program, but some of the new rules need adjustment to avoid negative impact on participation. Immediate complaints are being heard about lack of an upper displacement limit (historically there were always limits, usually 500/750). Also while the break at 300cc might work in the 1970’s with the CB350 competing with 500s, 250cc would be a more historic class break for brakeless division. It has been pointed out that increasing a 4 stroke 250 to 300 with a sleeve is much simpler than trying to add displacement to a two stroke. It’s best to leave the 1960’s machines divided as they always have been, and leave the cap on heavy at 750.
Please vote no on #4268 to alter 9.6.5
I struggle to see how this would benefit active racers or encourage new racers to join AHRMA. I think that if we all had the means to attend every race, the majority of us would!
Thank you for the consideration.
Proposal 4274. NextGen Superbike 3. I’m all for progress and the fun of riding newer bikes, fuel injection, electric starters, brakes that stop. If we are going to go with R1’s, GSXR’s etc in our races, consideration should be given to rider skills and offer amateur and expert classes. Competition will be better and safer for both classes
I second Al’s concerns about safety. We must be more cautious about mixing next gen machines into races with GP and Formula machines. It can cause dangerous closing speeds. Also, I think we already have grids as full as we can handle and need to stop for a time with adding newer classes. Or if they are added, do so only at major festivals where an extra day of competition is possible. I think we are too full at this time to add a class like NGS 3.
#4150 – It is imperative to AHRMA’a long term success that they recognize what is classic, vintage or “post vintage” relative to the current date. It is not viable to remain frozen to a specific time period nor is it practical to essentially equate a 1990 bike with dual disks to a modern CRF450.
Proposal 4150 is a critical step forward. I joined AHRMA BECAUSE Mid-Atlantic gets it. So does motocross, come one, Cross Country…
11.3 MOTOCROSS RIDER GRADING SYSTEM
Novice classes are as follows: Premier, Classic, Sportsman, Open Age, 40-60, 60+ and Women. There are no displacement classifications in any Novice class. Novice classes shall not be combined with any Intermediate or Expert class. All Novice classes shall run in Novice-only motos.
(Richard Bryant / entry #4148)
A rule that is not followed diminishes all other rules. The novice only motos rule has been broken at the following Nations:
ACP Redwood Engineering AHRMA VMX National
Circle Bar Motorsports; Fluvanna, TX
Heartland Motorsports Park; Topeka, KS
Reynlow Park; Reynoldsville, PA
That is 4 events out the 9 that have results posted. At Heartland a Trustee that is rated as an expert road in the novice moto. Clearly this rule is not working.
No hard feelings…. 🙂
#4169 – Yes for sure. Had this class been available the last two years, I would have raced it for sure. Once I saw that it was 50% GP bikes I was out. Saved me $2000 in registration fees.
#4170 – Yes, Don’t be scared of them flat slided SV. They don’t hurt any worse than the CV ones.
#4192 – Yes. The 690/701s race with the SVs in every other org… Why not here? 70hp is 70hp. Whether or not its on a SV or a duke shouldn’t matter….Its not like this is Motard.
#4229 – No. I’m not putting a patch on my leathers. Stickers no the bike are reasonable.
#4155 – Yes. 6” and 5” numbers work well in other orgs. Should be legal in AHRMA too. Number plates in place of body work is reasonable too
#4185 – No. I’m not sure why this org likes specific number plate colors. Solid background with contrasting numbers will do just fine.
#4268 – No. Too rich for my blood. Points are points. If you are fast enough, you’ll win the championship.
#4175 – Yes. Slippers are the bee’s knees! All bikes should have them.
#4263 – Yes. Add the Gixxers.
#4274 – Yes. For the love of god create this class. Hopefully after a season or two, people will start softening up to the fact that liquid cooled 600s are actually getting old too. We may see a class with the historically significant 1st gen R6 in the near future….
#4194 – At this point, why not? This is such a bizarre-o class as it is. Lets take a 450 dirt bike and race it against a 150whp Panigale. The 115hp 765 appears to be a good middle of the road compromise.
#4142 – Yes. This sounds quite reasonable.
I like the proposal of allowing the Next Gen 1 bikes to be able to ride in AHRMA Cross Country Races. And, I agree with allowing them to participate in AHRMA Cross Country Racing. It was fully endorsed by the Cross Country Committee, so it should be allowed to pass.
I support proposal 4150 adding a Next Gen class to Cross Country. I believe it is essential to the future of the sport and AHRMA. I am certain it will bring in new riders to the races and memberships to AHRMA.
In favor of SoT4 change from Eric for entry #4169. The 300 class bikes need a competitive grid.
It seems stupid to also have a class where one bike, the N400, so out performs the REST of the grid that it makes every other books in the grid completely uncompetitive and a “Also Ran” result. The N400 isn’t a 300 class bike, and racing against one is futile as EVERYTHING else on the grid can’t come close to it. The 300 class of bikes are all competitive with one another, but the N400 needs to be bumped up into a higher HP class.
I am in full support of proposal 4150, adding a next gen class to cross country. Adding this class still adheres to the values of of ARMAH, and also gives the opportunity for younger folks to join in on the fun, without all the challenges/costs of maintaining a vintage bike. It would only help to increase membership within ARMAH. Please support this proposal!
Proposal 4268 is not within the reach of the majority of AHRMA Members. The financial and time restraints of most Members does not allow this to be a feasible proposal much less a rule for winning the National Championship. In my opinion Membership, grids sizes and of course income would drop substantially. The current rules are sufficient possibly 2 regions would be a reasonable compromise but as written this is a detriment to the growth and health of AHRMA. Vote No on Proposal 4268!
Seconded. Please vote “No” on 4268. An achievable alternative would be 2 regions. My 2 year old traveled with me 17 hours in the car to Heartland to participate in my first season in AHRMA, but I’m simply not going to be able to be competitive if I’m required to participate annually in all three regions across the country. 4268 is unachievable for many participants in the organization.
For proposal “10.12.1 b) SOUND OF THUNDER 2(SoT2): Any AHRMA Sound of Singles or Motardmachine; liquid-cooled twins to900cc; unlimited air-cooled twins; triples up to 765cc; and two-strokes to 250cc are allowed” … Is it possible to increase the proposed rule change from “765cc” to “800cc”? If so, the rule change would be more encompassing as it will cover all equivalent triples on the market… Triumph 765 & MV Agusta 800.
Proposal 4150 , Please reconsider adding the nex gen class to cross country like the mid atlantic has done with good success. The 3 race format makes for a full race day. It lets the sport evolve and also gathers new riders , alot of which are younger. Which breaths new life and revenue into the club. All good.
Vote no for 4268. Majority of the Ahrma member still work and are not rich or retired . The trustee that submitted this rule change has his bikes built and driven to the track with a mechanic and flys in while his transporter get driven in reducing the time he has to take off work , this is totally out of touch and I am sick that majority of the trustees went along with this plan . This will only harm the grids , not help . Please reconsider your stand on this . Thank you
Vote No to 4268. We raced jet skis in the 90’s and the IJSBA (International Jet Ski Boating Assoc) did something similar to the National tour, it was like “welcome to the life of the rich and famous” and many of the private teams couldn’t afford to do the tour. It was the death of the IJSBA. It took a long time for jet ski racing to make a comeback.
Please vote NO on 4268!
Currently, the closest crossover event eligible for East Coast Members that wish to race 3 regions is Heartland. For a lot of Eastern members, that is a 16+ hour drive (including fuel/rest stops). Members in NY and FL are looking at 20 hours minimum driving. How many West Coast Members are going to be able to fulfill this requirement? Using CA as an example, driving from LA to Heartland (again, the only crossover event) alone is over a day.
How many members can afford that?
I understand that some will buddy up and pay to have their machines hauled out and then fly out – which is still another added expense.
The MAJORITY of members in AHRMA are NOT retired OR independently wealthy – which means that we fund our own travels, we take time off work to compete in these events and some even take time away from their families to attend.
The 3 region requirement, if passed, will alienate a high number of competitors currently in AHRMA….which will send them to search out other organizations more local to their regions, thereby increasing revenue lost.
10.9.5 NEXT GEN SUPERBIKE 3 SHOULD ALOW 05-06 GSXR 1000 .
Honda models, CBR900RR, CBR919RR, CBR929RR, CBR954RR and CBR1000RR 1992-2005
Kawasaki ZX10R 2004 to 2005
Suzuki GSX-R750 2000-2004
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2001 to 2004
Yamaha YZF-R1, YZF-R1 LE 1998-2006
“allow” cant type
I am in support of Eric Watts proposal #4169 SOT4. I think it would make a more competitive class for the RC 390 as well as adding a lot of riders who currently can’t come race with us because they have a ninja 300’s and Yamaha R3’s. It would definitely generate a lot more money for Ahrma with students and racers. Hopefully for them as it has for me, I came in with a plan to just run the Modern Rc390 but now I have added a 1971 BSA B50 to be in a vintage class as well.
As a whole I accept the vote by the board but it would be nice if the rational would be presented for the vote.
Entry # 4149 Instead of a pro class in cross country, what about a money paying class for each vintage and post vintage classes, one race for each on any AHRMA eligible bike, keep the money reasonable, $100. for first, $60. for second, $40. for third, could build a big class out of this, maybe this would encourage the super fast folks (like Albert Newmann) to go for some money and let the slow experts like myself compete for the hardware, just a thought. Thanks Darel
+1 in support of SoT4 / entry #4169
I support 4258. It will not upset the balance of competition, and might bring a few more two strokes into the class.
I agree with the intent of proposal 4262 Two Stroke Classic, however I would strike certain line items as too restrictive for getting the class adequeate US participation. I would strike A-1, A-3 and B=5. That means allow well prepared replicas of period racing machines and allow period reed valves.
Please support request No. 4150. When I joined AHRMA in 1989 or so my 1975 CZ 400 was fifteen years old and considered vintage. Therefore I have always felt classes for bikes from bygone eras should be added every few years.
please support entry #4150, next-gen in cross country is essential to promote the future of the sport and AHRMA, Vintage and Post vintage will never go away, but as these bikes continue to age, scarcity will escalate and costs will become prohibitive to someone looking to enter the sport. This era of bikes has successfully been implemented in several regions and is proving to bring in new riders and show growth.
Please vote no on 9.6.5 #4268
This is a terrible proposal. Racing is an expensive hobby but most members still work for a living and can’t afford the time and money to compete in all three regions. This rule will only benefit those who are either retired and well off or those who are in a financial position of not having to work. This rule, if passed, will not show who was the most successful racer in a class but will be a false champion only showing who had the financial ability to race in all 3 regions. It will probably also lead to having no champion in some classes.
Absolutely vote NO on proposal #4268. Changing the requirement for members to attend races in all the regions would cause a substantial decline in race entries. I would have to skip 2 east races for one out west. This is an attempt from the rich, retired, or both to buy championships and leaves the majority of working class AHRMA with a raw deal. This does not reinforce AHRMA’s vision to keep these bikes on the track but rather forces additional financial burden on those with a passion to try and win a championship. Please vote NO on proposal #4268
Please vote No to 9.6.5 #4268.
This change would basically give the ability to buy the championship. It allows those with the means to travel long distances the ability to win with attendance over actual competition results.
Do the equatable choice and vote this down.
Here to back Eric Watts SOT4 proposal.
Jeff Whittemore Member 18072. I completely support the entry by Eric Watts #4169. There is a significant number of KTM riders who show up every race round and “Box above their weight” racing the two stroke and NSR bikes. Without this rule the KTM riders have to spend stupid $ to be close to competitive. SOT4 would be a very competitive class with a significant grid size and it would reduce the very large grid size in SOS3 to improve safety.
Do not vote for rule 9.6.5, entry #4268! That will drive people away. It’s impossible to get a championship from either coast if you have to make it to all three regions unless you’re independently wealthy. Most of us still have to work very hard to make these races and driving across country makes it even more difficult. Two regions is plenty of races to make a championship. Let your riding do the talking, not your free time!
Huge supporter of SOS4 (4169). Finally these bikes will be on level ground. Let the rider decide the outcome not the bike. It’s unfair to compete against 2 strokes.
Totally against article 9.6.5. This is an absolute scam of a rule designed to fleece the members of money and maintain weak markets. In reality this will drive Racers to other Venues across the nation and stifle growth. What were you thinking??
Please do not vote for 4268! The majority of the members still work for a living and have to make huge sacrifices just to make enough events to qualify for championships. Adding the requirement to score events from all 3 regions to be eligible for championships will cause many to reduce their participation with ahrma or quit altogether.
I am opposed to rule change 9.6.5 requirement of 3 regional events. This will limit the number of people who wish to race with AHRMA. Only a few people will be able to attend 3 regional events. Most of us still work for a living.
4150 I fully support this change and it really needs to happen. The mid Atlantic has been doing this for a while now and the only reason I am involved in AHRMA is because they allowed me to race my 87 KX250 which was the only bike I had at the time. I now am hooked and race a recently purchased 72 Puch 175 along with the KX. Current rules eliminate any rear disk brake bike which for KX goes back to 86. This is Needed to keep the organization growing. The current rules keep me from riding my 35 year old motorcycle that is difficult/expensive to maintain and not competitive in modern events.
#4170 – flat slides on a Gen 1 SV doesn’t put the bike at any real advantage over the modern EFI bikes, just easier to tune. Should be allowed.
#4263 – SRAD bikes are getting harder to find, the K3 bikes are still available and aren’t much faster. Not an unfair advantage over the twins
#4274 – GSXR750 through K5. The K4 and K5 are identical
#4169/#4214 – SoT 4 would be a great class, and one of the cheaper ways to introduce people to racing. No age restrictions however
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Vintage Superbike entry #4177 allowing 2 valve kawasaki to run 31mm carbs would give them a decisive advantage over other entries, Kawasaki has more ready available performance parts for the engines allowing them to be faster for less money. same for 2 and 4 valve Suzuki. Thanks to the drag racing world. The Honda has to be custom built, costing more money. Lets just even the playing field and run 33mm for all 1025cc machines like AMA did in the beginning.
I am against the change to 9.6.5. Most members work and do not have the luxury of being able to compete in all 3 regions. Time off of work and budget are factors.
A 2 region requirement will accomplish the goal of having members competing against members from the other 2 regions.
4169 … I would love to hear some of the negatives behind the decision to say no. Any input from those that voted?
Ditto Serge Pylkovas’ comment, “In favor of entry #4169 by Eric Watts. The competition must be fair.”
I am 110% behind entry #4150. The SE region has been running a pre2k class in cross country and it has generated more interest in AHRMA. It opened some people’s eyes, even Curt Comer raced his 1999 KDX at our race in TN two weeks ago. It gives gives a place for those bikes to compete. I am 31 years old and guys my age are getting nostalgic about 90’s bikes right now and I think it would be a good time to seize that opportunity. This is the next step for AHRMA Cross Country.
I’m in favor of, g) 60+: Riders age 60 to 64 and Riders 65 t0 69and older on any size or type of eligible vintage machine.
(Sanford Quickel / entry #4174)
I’m 67 and it’s crazy for me to attend your events if I have to race against 60 year old, is anyone on the board 67 years old and ride a vintage bike in the XC class?
I am in favor of entry #4169 by Eric Watts. His beautifully composed proposal for SOT4 makes so much sense. Personally owning a RC390, this proposal would keep me racing and spending my money with AHRMA vs racing local with CCS in a more competitive class for the rc390 while saving money and/or racing more. I would like to continue racing with AHRMA because it helps me research which vintage bike would be best for me to race in the future.
Also, shout out the AHRMA for streamlining the rule proposal process and having an informative article about it in the magazine.
I’m in favor of live engine starts, why who the board vote this down?
In favor of Eric Watts entry #4169 for SoT4. This is a great opportunity to increase participation in amateur racing.
All I see is a bunch of NO’s and we are going to loose the next generation of riders. My sons don’t want to ride the older bikes, but want to support AHRMA and race for fun. They don’t care about points and or trophy’s. You old timers either have to make some changes or AHRMA will not be around in 10-20 years. This organization is a well intension group with a lot of great folks. The riders all have great stories about their bikes. I enjoy talking with folks at the races about where they found their machine and what they did to it to make them ride able again. It would be a shame to loose that history and not pass it along to younger folks.
Rob, to which entry # do you refer?
Entry # 4150
Just create a new class to allow these slightly newer (lol) Pre 1990 bike to be seen and ridden at the CC events.
When ever I bring my older bikes (Pre 1990) out to race at modern hair scrambles. Folks love to come over and check them out. Some times I even let people ride my bikes for fun. The smiles on their faces says it all.
Their responses is, “ I have to get me one of those”!
Bingo Rob!!!
Example #4214 Minimum age of 30. Lets take bikes that every other organization uses as a gateway for new riders and ban the youngsters from it. :/
Vintage motocross:. I would like to see white numbers on a black background accepted. My Rickman had black background side panels. Thank you, Sean Chase #2010316
4169 by Eric Watts would be a huge hit! A very well balanced class with multiple types and manufacturers competitive. It also has the added benefit of helping to attract new racers as the bikes in the proposed class are among the most popular with entry level riders. Let’s make this happen!
Couldn’t agree more, a junior cup type class would be awesome. Those bikes are pure fun for entry level and expert riders without breaking the bank, and they could bump to SOT3 and have a lot of fun too.
Not in favor of requiring AHRMA members to score points in each of the three regions. This is completely unfair to the vast majority of the membership that hold down full time jobs and drive through the night to make it to a race. You’ll eliminate the competition before the season starts. I certainly can’t chase a championship in that capacity, therefore I’ll take my race weekends closer to home.
I vote live engine start!! Old bikes are hard enough to start some old bikes are just hard to start anyways. When you get them started you don’t want to have to restart them all the time. Big bore bikes and left kicking bikes are ruff to start fast takes time.
In favor of entry #4169 by Eric Watts. The competition must be fair.
I’m in favor of Eric Watts proposal for SoT4 as with Adam and Mark.
I fully support entry #4150. I feel this an excellent proposal for the introduction of under represented bikes that are a hidden potential for AHRMA vintage cross country racing and riders. There are a lot these bikes in garages and shops collecting dust with no avenue for a level field of competition. Also these bikes represent the next era of of Vintage racing with a rich history in the CC, Enduro, ISDE.
As we get the AHMRA digital mag on Email and in the Media, and live in the digital age , when do you think we will end up with the rule book on a digital format that’s downloadable. This will save huge cost in AHMRA and be more accessible to all. It might be nice to have a portal and a 5 dollar charge to benefit AHMRA
Hey Boris, the handbook IS in downloadable digital format at ahrma.org/ahrma-handbook.
#4170 – flat slides on a Gen 1 SV doesn’t put the bike at any real advantage over the modern EFI bikes, just easier to tune. Should be allowed.
#4263 – SRAD bikes are getting harder to find, the K3 bikes are still available and aren’t much faster. Not an unfair advantage over the twins
#4274 – GSXR750 through K5. The K4 and K5 are identical
#4169/#4214 – SoT 4 would be a great class, and one of the cheaper ways to introduce people to racing. No age restrictions however.
Why reject “ Live engine start. Left hand on top of helmet. Those who ride automatic bikes will have right hand on top of helmet.” The bikes are old , some can be hard to start, let the riders have fun and have equal opportunity on win regardless of brand of bike. Left kick European bikes are at an even bigger disadvantage with dead engine starts. I vote Live Engine Start!
I would like to still show my support for my proposal 4150 for adding Next Gen to Cross Country. The main reason I submitted it and still passionate about its passing is the fact that we have a number of underrepresented bikes that would be a great addition to our sport including the Suzuki RMX250, Yamaha WR250Z, Gas Gas, etc. I don’t believe the addition of these 2 strokes would be detrimental to the course on race day like the addition of modern 4strokes might. I really believe we will see some new riders to AHRMA with the addition of these new models as well which can only improve our sport. Thanks again for your consideration…
I would like to still show my support for my proposal 4150 for adding Next Gen to Cross Country. The main reason I submitted it and still passionate about its passing is the fact that we have a number of underrepresented bikes that would be a great addition to our sport including the Suzuki RMX250, Yamaha WR250Z, Gas Gas, etc. I don’t believe the addition of these 2 strokes would be detrimental to the course on race day like the addition of modern 4strokes might. I really believe we will see some new riders to AHRMA with the addition of these new models as well which can only improve our sport. Thanks again for your consideration…
Steve Kirby
SoT4 #4169 sounds like a winner! It would make for an exciting field with much cheaper barrier to entry than dedicated GP machines that over power SoS3 currently.
I am in favor of Eric Watts / entry #416 for SoT4
The unanimous rejection of my request to allow my Formula 125 bike, a 1974 Husky 175cc into a second class makes little sense to me. The only class difference is; as a Formula 125 bike the front disc brake is class eligible. A disc brake would not be eligible in 200 GP. Racing these small bikes is all about momentum management. Slowing down is seldom required. Limiting my class choices deprives AHRMA of entry fees and greater competitive enjoyment when I travel round trip over 5,000 miles to participate. An entire no vote suggests that the Board did not understand my request.
I am in favor of #4169 and would definitely plan to attend MANY more AHRMA races if I didnt have to race a $5000 budget bike (RC 390) against $20,000 GP bikes that make the same power but have half the weight. I can tell you that there are also a LOT of ultralight racers in the midwest who are looking for more racing opportunities, so this could be a big gain for participation, if desired. Thanks!
A greatly improved process and timing, thanks to Cindy and Kevin for leading the effort.
I’m in favor of the Eric Watts proposal for SoT4
I too am in favor of Eric Watts, proposal for SoT4.