On the evenings of June 19 and 28, 2023, AHRMA’s Board of Trustees met via video conference to review rules proposals for the 2024 racing season. A summary of the proposals, including committee recommendations and trustee preliminary votes may be found below.
Members may comment on the rule proposals / votes using these guidelines:
- If a proposal has already been commented on, please reply to the current thread to keep those comments together
- Use the find function (shortcuts are Command-F on a Mac, Control-F or CTRL-F on a PC) and enter the Entry ID # to find associated comments
- You may only make a comment on ONE rule/Entry ID in each of your comments
- Entry ID is REQUIRED
- Your contact information is REQUIRED although it won’t be displayed
Any comments not following these guidelines WILL BE REMOVED.
The Member Comment Period is July 11-24, 2023. Final voting is tentatively scheduled to take place starting on August 10, 2023. Each Trustee’s initials are listed by his/her actions below.
The votes recorded below are votes for/against the proposed change; If “yes”, the preliminary vote is in favor of the proposal, if “no”, the preliminary vote is against the proposal. If the vote is anything other than “yes” or “no”, a note regarding the motion and what was voted on is included in “Discussion”.
Underlined wording would be new for the 2024 Handbook, a strike-through indicates wording proposed to be removed.
Go to Comments/Questions
June 19:
Chairman of the Board, Carl Anderson, called to order at 4:05 pm Eastern
Trustees in Attendance: Al Anderberg, Luke Sayer (Secretary), David Rutherford, Carl Anderson (Chairman of the Board), Arthur Kowitz, Mike Dixon, Greg Tomlinson, Kelly Shane, Tim Terrell (4:56pm), Albert Newmann (4:58pm – Treasurer), Brian Larrabure (5:35pm).
Guest(s): Craig Grantham (Executive Director), Cindy McLean (AHRMA Communications), Kevin Burns (Chairman, Editorial Committee / Rule Change Proposal Process)
June 28:
Chairman of the Board, Carl Anderson, called to order at 5:07 pm Eastern
Trustees in Attendance:
Al Anderberg, Arthur Kowitz, David Rutherford, Brian Larrabure, Mike Dixon, Kelly Shane, Luke Sayer, Fred Guidi, Tim Terrell, Carl Anderson, Greg Tomlinson (5:14), Albert Newmann (6:03)
Guest(s): Cindy McLean (AHRMA Communications), Kevin Burns (Chairman, Editorial Committee / Rule Change Proposal Process)
General & Road Race Rules
Entry ID #8548 3.4.1 a (1)
(1) Any current professional rider or any professional rider who in the previous 12 months raced as a professional wishing to compete with AHRMA may do so. Although no series, regional, points or awards will be credited to them, and all points shall be awarded to “Non pro ” club member and NO points shall be taken away. (ie if a pro wins and a non pro racers is second, the winning points will go to the “Non Pro”) Any awards to “Pro” riders may only be given as specified as a “one off” or “Professional series” with an announced monetary compensation and shall have no effect on series or regional point standings. (David Ehrhart, Member #14597)
Committee Recommendation: Accept
Board Discussion: Discussion regarding unintended consequences – AHRMA for years has accepted and recognized pro racers amongst our ranks.
KS motioned to vote, MD seconded.
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 9 no)
Entry ID #8549 Section 9.1.1
9.1.1 No change to existing rule text. Add additional text below as 9.1.1a
a. Any current professional rider or any professional rider who in the previous 12 months raced as a professional wishing to compete with AHRMA may do so. Although no series, regional or any points or awards will be credited to them, and all points shall be awarded to “Non pro ” club member and NO points shall be taken away. (ie if a pro wins and a non pro racers is second, the winning points will go to the “Non Pro”) Any awards to “Pro” riders may only be given as specified as a “one off” or “Professional series” with an announced monetary compensation and shall have no effect on series point standings. (David Ehrhart, Member #14597)
Committee Recommendation: Accept
Board Discussion: Same as Entry ID 4548 / KS motioned to vote, MD seconded.
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 9 no)
Entry Id #8550 (New)
Rule: Guest Professional Racers
Occasional guest professional racer participation is welcomed at AHRMA events as an enriching experience to racers and spectators. However, as an intrinsically amateur organisation, such racers are only eligible for race specific weekend points and awards. No points will accrue to national or regional championships, and such racers will be disregarded in the calculation of race placings for members.
For example if a professional guest racer finishes in first place and a member second, first place will receive the weekend’s trophy, but National and Regional points for first place will be awarded to the second placed racer. Professional Racer is defined as a person who is currently primarily engaged in racing motorcycles as their normal employ, and derives regular and or significant financial reward from such activity. Trainers, unless as part of a professional team, are generally not considered Professional Racers. Retired professionals are not considered Professional Racers. Occasional receipt of prize money in a one-off race does not bestow status of Professional Racer. (Mark Smithard, Member #1012603)
Committee Recommendation: Duplicate of 8548 – committee prefers language of 8548 as language provides continuity with Section 3
Board Discussion: KS motioned to vote, MD seconded.
June Board: no (0 yes / 9 no)
Entry Id #8551 Section 3.4.1 a)
All riders in AHRMA events, (including Sidecar passengers), motocross, dirt track, cross country and trials, must be full members of AHRMA Additionally, all AHRMA Road Racers must hold an AHRMA Digital Roadrace or Active, Student or Probationary Licence.
Any member entering a road racing event, must enter at least one historic motorcycle (motorcycle manufactured at least 20 years previous to current year of event) in its appropriate class. Only after such entry, a modern class / classes may be entered with an appropriate modern motorcycle. (Celebrity racers at the Barber event are exempt from this rule, as determined with special permission.) (David Evans, Member #3539)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Board Discussion: DR motioned to vote, LS seconded.
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 8 no / 1 abstain AK)
Entry Id #8563 Section 3.3.14
Helmets worn in vintage and post vintage motocross and cross county must be may be open- or full-face type and certified by the manufacturer by having a sticker affixed to the helmet stating the helmet meets or exceeds at least one of the following standards: U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) FMVSS 218; Snell M2015; Europe’s ECE 22-05 ‘P’, ‘NP’ or ‘J’; or Japan’s JIS T 8133:2007. It is recommended that motocross and cross country helmets be removed from service after five years from date of manufacture; helmets greater than five years old – but no more than 10 years old – may be used at the discretion of the Tech Inspector. All helmets used in vintage and post vintage motocross and cross county must have been manufactured within the prior 60 months of the date of competition. Only OEM chin-strap fasteners may be used. (Richard Brodock, Member #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Accept
Board Discussion: Discussion of AMA rules – concerns regarding liability. KS motioned to vote, FG seconded.
June Board: no (1 yes – DR /8 no)
Entry Id #8568 Section 18 – AHRMA MEMBER CODE OF CONDUCT (RE-WRITE)
SECTION 18 – AHRMA MEMBER CODE OF CONDUCT
As a condition of membership, all Members agree to abide by the AHRMA Member Code of Conduct as set forth in the then-current AHRMA Handbook in effect. AHRMA’s Member Code of Conduct sets forth the obligations and required behavior of all AHRMA Members and the associated enforcement process.
In addition to the requirements set forth herein, AHRMA expects that all of its Members will at all times: be considerate of other Members, their guests and families; exhibit respect and appreciation for all AHRMA workers and volunteers; comply with track and event rules and regulations, as well as the AHRMA Member Code of Conduct.
18.1 Member Code of Conduct – Offenses
Behavior which may result in disciplinary action is that behavior, whether physical, verbal, or written, which in the sole reasonable discretion of the Board of Trustees, fails to comport with the Member Code of Conduct, causes or may cause AHRMA harm or adversely prejudices AHRMA, or adversely affects any AHRMA Member or any person or entity associated with AHRMA.
Prohibited behavior, whether by physical action or published in any form of communication, whether verbal, written via phone, in person, email, social media, or other digital platform includes, but is not limited to:
- Derogatory Statements: Making derogatory statements about or with respect to another Member and/or that Member’s family or business, any AHRMA Associate and/or that Associate’s family or business, any sponsor, any track personnel, any workers or volunteers, or any AHRMA Trustee, contractor, or vendor regarding or concerning:
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- Religion
- Political beliefs
- Heritage
- Family members
- Gender, Gender Expression, Sexual orientation
- Physical appearance or characteristics
- Financial status or work status
- Ability to compete or be competitive (outside of friendly trackside banter)
- Integrity or honesty
- Moral, professional, or ethical conduct or reputation
- Any use of profanity directed at another Member, Associate, sponsor, vendor, track personnel, volunteer, Trustee, contractor or worker, and/or family or business of same.
- Defamatory Statements: Making any defamatory statement concerning or regarding any Member, Associate, sponsor, vendor, track personnel, volunteer, Trustee, contractor, or worker.
- Any action which in any way defrauds, denigrates, defames, or deprives any organization, person, contractor, promoter, other Members or Associates, or any persons related to or involved with AHRMA.
- Failure to follow any applicable AHRMA rules or AHRMA policies.
- Willful failure to follow track rules or regulations that causes or may cause safety risk.
- Any communication, publication or disclosure of AHRMA confidential, proprietary, privileged, or protected AHRMA legal matters in any way or format, including but not limited to oral, written, electronic or via digital and/or social media.
- Any communication, publication or disclosure of AHRMA confidential, proprietary, privileged or protected financial information in any way, including but not limited to oral, written, electronic, or via digital and/or social media.
- Any threats or actions of physical violence, assault, or battery off or on the track.
- Aiding, abetting, or causing another to engage in any prohibited conduct as set forth in a) – i) above.
18.2 MEMBER CODE OF CONDUCT – SUBMISSION OF A COMPLAINT
- AHRMA recognizes that motorcycle competition involves commitment, enthusiasm, and passion. In the event an ostensible violation of the Member Code of Conduct occurs, Members shall seek to resolve such matters amicably and in the spirit of Member cooperation. If necessary or appropriate, the assistance of another Member, Race Official, or Trustee may be sought.
- AHRMA does not encourage submitting a complaint regarding alleged violations of the Member Code of Conduct. A formal complaint is a last resort and is not favored. If Member-resolution is not possible, any Member Code of Conduct Complaint shall:
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- be submitted in a timely fashion
- set forth in detail the person(s) alleged to be in breach, the nature of the alleged breach pursuant to Section 18.1, above, the date, time, location/event of the alleged breach, and all material facts, circumstances, and witnesses concerning the alleged breach
- include a sworn statement by the person bringing the complaint of all actions and efforts made to amicably resolve the issue pursuant to Section 18.2 (a).
- Complaints may be submitted to the Race Director, a Trustee, or the Executive Director. All complaints shall be in writing, within 7 days of last efforts to resolve the issue, but in no event later than 14 days after the alleged breach, transmitted in person, or via first class mail with proof of delivery, or via email with delivery confirmation.
- Any Member who submits a complaint will be notified of the resolution action taken by AHRMA. AHRMA’s handling and disposition of complaints and alleged breaches of AHRMA’s Member Code of Conduct are confidential matters, except as otherwise set forth herein.
18.3 MEMBER CODE OF CONDUCT – ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
Breaches of Code of Conduct are serious matters, and any enforcement or penalty is instituted after due consideration and investigation.
Notwithstanding any legal ramifications which may arise from adverse behavior, specific AHRMA penalties range from verbal warning to probation, suspension and banishment. Penalty Level (1- 4) will be adjudged by either repeated failure to comply with the Member Code of Conduct, or severity of such conduct as determined by Board of Trustees at their sole reasonable discretion.
Penalties:
- Level 1 – Informal verbal or written warning by an AHRMA Official with documentation sent to the Executive Director who will then forward to the Board of Trustees and record in the membership database.
- Level 2 – Written reprimand, by the Executive Director, with documentation sent to the Board of Trustees and written reprimand recorded in membership database.
- Level 3 – Fine and/or probation, by the Executive Director after majority vote by the Board of Trustees, fine and/or probation documented in membership database. Probation may range from a national or regional event to an entire season. Members on probation are not “in good standing” and are not eligible for national or regional championships in the season of record.
- Level 4 – Dismissal and forfeiture of dues paid. Executed by the Executive Director and after a majority vote by the Board of Trustees. Member is banned and may neither attend nor participate in any AHRMA event.
- In AHRMA’s sole discretion, AHRMA may elect to publish the result of any enforcement or penalty. Otherwise, all enforcement and any penalty is confidential between AHRMA and the involved Member(s). Any breach of confidentiality is a breach of the Member Code of Conduct.
18.4 MEMBER CODE OF CONDUCT – APPEALS
- A Member can appeal any action taken against the Member. Any appeal shall be in writing, via first class mail with delivery receipt letter, or via email with delivery receipt, within 30 days of notification of the decision being appealed, and sent to the Executive Director.
- Appeals shall be accompanied by an appeal fee of $50 (Level 1), $75 (Level 2), $150 (Level 3), $250 (Level 4). Depending upon the result of the appeal, all or some of the appeal fee may be refunded, as determined by AHRMA in its sole reasonable discretion.
- Appeals will be heard by an Appeal Committee, established by the Board of Trustees, comprising three members, as appointed from time to time by the Board of Trustees. The Board of Trustees may appoint such Appeal Committee on a case-by-case basis or establish a standing committee. The number of committees, the length of committee service, and the persons serving on the committee(s) shall be at the sole discretion of the Board of Trustees.
- An appeal will include a hearing, either in person or by phone, as the committee determines. The committee will consider all information presented, both oral and written, within 30 days of the hearing. No attorneys are permitted to represent any party. The decision of the committee is final. For Level 3 and 4 appeals, a decision found against the Member will be published in AHRMA MAG and will identify the parties, the dispute, the decision, and as appropriate, the penalty.
(AHRMA Board of Trustee subcommittee submission)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Board Discussion: Extensive discussion – General consensus to see how membership weighs in during member comment period – LS motion to vote, AN second
June Board: no (6 yes AA, AN, AK, BL, DR, KS / 6 no CA, FG, GT, MD, LS, TT)
Entry Id #8589 Section 3.4f
No rider under the age of majority may compete without the notarized, written consent of parents or guardians. Minimum rider age is 18 for road race, flat track and TT, and 16 14 years for observed trials, motocross and cross country. If under 21, proof of age is required. (Peter Steilberg, Member #9574)
Committee Recommendation: Rejected
Board Discussion: Notify submitter that this is on Laguna Seca BoT agenda – CA to reach out to AHRMA legal. AK motioned to vote, AA seconded.
June Board: no (0 yes / 9 no)
Entry Id #8610 Section 6.2.1 g)
Suspension: Competition licenses may be suspended for violation of probation, as well as fragrant breech of AHRMA rules. Suspension shall begin with notification by registered letter from the National Office. Suspension may be imposed only by the Executive Director when confirmed by a majority vote of the Board of Trustees. Membership may be retained and AHRMA MAG received while the member is suspended from competition. Suspended members are not in good standing and may not vote for trustees. Suspensions will be published in AHRMA MAG. (Carl Anderson, Member #79)
Committee Recommendation: Accept
Board Discussion: AK motioned to vote, LS seconded.
June Board: yes (9 yes / 0 no)
Entry Id #8635 Section 6.3.3
Types of Protests/Fees: There are three types of equipment protests regarding machine illegality: Visual, internal and fuel. The equipment protest fee is $10 $250 for all protests except for an internal protest, which follows the added fee schedule below: (Rodney Menke, Member #2010896)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Board Discussion: GT motioned to vote, AK seconded.
June Board: no (0 yes / 9 no)
Entry Id #8638 Section 3.4.1 i)
Competitors for all disciplines are required to carry a medical card that provides and emergency contact and pertinent medical information for first responders in case of an incident while participation in any AHRMA sanctioned event. the card is to be placed in an AHRMA supplied break away lanyard and worn around the neck. An alternative to the lanyard worn around the neck is AHRMA approved Medical Data Card holder placed on the helmet. (Al Charles, Member #424)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Board Discussion: Kelly said both should be allowed. DR motioned to vote, AA seconded.
June Board: no (0 yes / 9 no)
Vintage Roadrace
Entry #8571 Section 10.21 Two Stroke Classic
b) ENGINE
- All engines must be parallel or tandem twins. No v-twins allowed.
- All engines must retain stock bore and stroke.
- No flat slide carburetors allowed except period Lectron. Power Jet are allowed.
- Engines must be naturally aspirated.
No reed valvesReed valves allowed.
(Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, DR seconded
June Board: yes (9 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8572 Section 10.21 Two Stroke Classic
b) ENGINE
- All engines must be parallel or tandem twins. No v-twins allowed.
- All engines must retain stock bore and stroke.
- No flat slide carburetors allowed except period Lectron. Power Jet are allowed.
- Engines must be naturally aspirated.
No reed valvesReed valves allowed- TZ750 373cc reed valve cylinders allowed on TZ350
(Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: LS motioned to vote, DR seconded
June Board: yes (9 yes /0 no)
Entry #8640 Section 10.21 Two Stroke Classic
10.21 TWO-STROKE CLASSIC
MISSION STATEMENT: For Grand Prix or Factory road racing two-stroke 250/350cc motorcycles built from January 1974 through December 1984. Only genuine race bikes are allowed; modified street bikes are not eligible. Among the eligible machines are any genuine 250/350cc Grand Prix two-stroke machine manufactured from 1973 through 1984
NOTE: 1 (one) year probation to evaluate for elimination starting with the 2025 racing season (Daniel May #11215)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: Discussion on extending probation period to 2 years. AK motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: no (4 yes AN,AK, DR, FG/ 7 no)
Entry #8642 10.3.4 Formula 125
Maximum carburetor or restrictor plate size for 175cc singles is 34mm; maximum carburetor or restrictor plate size for 180-200cc two-stroke twins is 22mm. (See rule 9.7.14b). (David Rhodes #18049)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8644 10.21 a 1
Only genuine race bikes or replicas thereof are allowed. Modified street bikes are not eligible. Accurate replica race bikes are allowed. Street parts may be modified to racing specs to create replica parts.
This also effects 10.21 intro – same change. (Carl Anderson #79)
Committee Recommendation: Approve with following language modifications: Strike “Modified street bikes are not eligible. Accurate replica race bikes are allowed.” Intent was to allow replacement of rare parts with their street counterparts in an attempt to make the class more cost effective and generate entries. Suggest that one major component from a factory race machine be required. (Frame or Engine) Bikes such as a TZ350G with an RZ350 engine, or a RD chassis with a TZ engine can be used as an example.
Discussion: AK motioned to vote including committee recommended language modifications, DR seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8645 10.21 TWO-STROKE CLASSIC
MISSION STATEMENT: For Grand Prix or Factory road racing two-stroke 250/350cc motorcycles built from January 1974 through December 1984. Only genuine race bikes are allowed; modified street bikes are not eligible. Among the eligible machines are any genuine 250/350cc Grand Prix two-stroke machine manufactured from 1974 through 1984 1985. (Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: DR motioned to vote, AN seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8646 Section 10.4.3 B
g) Brakes must of the period (i.e., two-shoe-type drum). Later-model BSA and Triumph drum brakes are allowed. (Manx Norton may use original four-shoe, seven-inch front brake). Minimum wheel diameter is 18 inches; maximum rim width is WM3 (2.15-in). OHC machines must use minimum 19 18-inch wheels, front and rear. (Rob McKeever #2010035)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8647 Section 10.3.4 FORMULA 125
Air-cooled, two-stroke, twin-shock, steel-framed Grand Prix motorcycles up to 125cc, plus certain GP-kitted street and enduro machines. Major components (and modifications) must be consistent with those used in the 1960s and ‘70s. The following motorcycles are eligible for this class; if not included on this list, approval must be obtained from the Vintage Roadrace Rules & Eligibility Committee:
- Bridgestone 200cc twin
- Bultaco, up to 200cc
- Can-Am 125, 175
- Honda MT125, MT125R, 200cc four-stroke twin
- Husqvarna 175, 1975-’82
- Kawasaki F7
- Maico RS125
- Montesa, up to 175cc
- Ossa, up to 175cc
- Suzuki GT185, TS125/185
- Yamaha TA125, AT1/2/3, DT125, RD125
- Yamaha YCS1, CS3/5, CT1/2/3, DT175, RD200
Maximum carburetor or restrictor plate size for 175cc singles is 34mm; maximum carburetor or restrictor plate size for 180-200cc two-stroke twins is 22mm.
(See rule 9.7.14b). (Camillo Sassano #1013109)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: TT motioned to vote, FG seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes /0 no)
Entry #8654 10.2.3
• Bultaco 250 liquid-cooled single, round cylinder type only.
Note:Bultaco AJR replicas are not allowed. Bultaco AJR TSS 350 replicas allowed. (Scott McCain #514)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 10 no)
Entry #8655 Section 10.5.4
j) Sportsman 750 machines may use one front disc brake; period-type fixed floating steel disc, maximum diameter 12 inches, two-piston Sportsman 750 machines may use a period-type rear drum brake or period-type floating rear disc with a two-piston caliper. (Cameron Crockett #1013884)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, MD seconded
June Board: yes (10 yes / 1 no AN)
Entry #8659 Section 9.7.2 Engines
c) Allowable overbore is a class’s maximum displacement plus the following limits, or the specific machine displacement, as in the performance-indexed classes (such as 200 Grand Prix Plus and Classic Sixties 650): Four stroke cylinders may be overbored by a maximum of .080”, singles; .060”, twins; .040”, triples; and .020”, fours. Two stroke cylinders may be overbored by a maximum of .080”. To determine displacement limits, .080”, .060”, .040” and .020”, as appropriate, shall be subtracted from the actual bore prior to calculation. Note: These limits do not apply to Class C and Pre-’40 classes, which have a maximum overbore of .080”.
750cc Sportsman and Formula displacement limits are 1mm overbore. (Cameron Crockett #1013884)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: TT motioned to vote, FG seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8660 10.3.1 A Requirements and Modifications for F750
d) Floating disc brakes are allowed, though they must be period type (fixed steel disc, (maximum 12-inch diameter, with two-piston calipers).
Other rules affected: 9.7.7
b)Front disc brakes, where allowed, must be of the period; steel, rigid-mounted type; maximum diameter 12 inches. Caliper must be the two-piston period type. Discs permitted only in Sportsman and Formula categories—single front disc or drum in Sportsman 750, Historic Production Heavyweight and Formula 250; dual front discs or drum in Formula 500 and Formula 750. All GP and Classic classes must use drum front brakes. (Cameron Crockett #1013884)
Committee Recommendation: Approve – repeat of 8655 but covers Formula classes
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: yes (10 yes / 1 no AN)
Entry #8662 Section 10.3.1 A Requirements and Modifications for F750
10.3.1A REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS FOR F750
k) Lectron “classic” series powerjet carburetors allowed with manual screw or mechanical adjustable Powerjets may be added to standard round slide carburetors. (Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, FG seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 11 no)
Entry #8663 Section 10.3.2
a) Lectron “classic” series powerjet carburetors allowed with manual screw or mechanical adjustable powerjet. Powerjets may be added to standard round slide carburetors. (Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 11 no)
Entry #8665 Section 10.3.3 Formula 250
a) Lectron “classic” series powerjet carburetors allowed with manual screw or mechanical adjustable Powerjets may be added to standard round slide carburetors. (Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: no (0 yes /11 no)
Entry #8666 Section 10.3.4 Formula 125
a) Lectron “classic” series powerjet carburetors allowed with manual screw or mechanical adjustable Powerjets may be added to standard round slide carburetors. (Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: DR motioned to vote, AK seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 11 no)
Entry #8667 Section 10.21 Two Stroke Classic
b) ENGINE
- All engines must be parallel or tandem No v-twins allowed.
- All engines must retain stock bore and
- No flat slide carburetors allowed except period Lectron. Power Jet are allowed. Flat slide Power Jet type carburetors with mechanically adjustable power jets allowed. no smart carbs or electrically activated power jets allowed.
- Engines must be naturally
- No reed valves
(Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: yes (11 yes / 0 no)
Vintage Superbike
Entry #8639 Section 10.20 Phillip Island Challenge
Eliminate the Philip Island Challenge class for the 2024 and beyond season. (Daniel May #11215)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: yes (9 yes / 1 no AN / 2 abstain BL, FG)
NextGen Superbike
Entry #8570 Section 10.9.4 NextGen Superbike Middleweight
MISSION STATEMENT: To provide a middleweight class to showcase what was raced in the late ‘80s through the early ‘90s. This class will be limited to period modifications.
Among the eligible machines are:
- 1986-1987 Yamaha TZ250 S/T
(Robert Macaulay #2012139)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 12 no)
Entry #8632 Section 10.9.1.1 b) 3 NextGen Superbike
Engine must be from same year, make and model as the frame. Updated/backdated parts available during the period (1985-’92) are allowed. “Ducati may may update engine cases only beyond the period. (Rodney Menke #2010896)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, MD seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 12 no)
Entry #8634 Section 10.9.2.1 c) 5 NextGen Superbike 2 Chassis and Frame
Front forks may be replaced with Kit (Ohlins or equivelant) forks. They can be conventional or upside down. Replacement forks must be of the period. No later model forks allowed; no gas-charged forks allowed.(Rodney Menke #2010896)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, AK seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 12 no)
Entry #8650 Section 10.9.4.c
10.9.4.c 1. Frame and engine must be from the same OEM model with the following exception, FZR400 frame with period FZR600 motor swap, rz350 with aftermarket cyl to 500cc.
Other rules affected:
10.9.4. 1983-1985 Yamaha rz350 with aftermarket cylinders, to 500cc. 10.9.4.B. All engines must retain stock stroke. Bore may be up to 2.0 mm over. Engines can be built to superbike specs. Rz350 may increase bore and stroke to 500cc.
(Keith Powell #2011378)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 12 no)
Modern Roadrace
Entry #8595 Section 10.15 c Sound of Singles
Eligible machines include KTM390RC and , Duke, and additionally superstock Kawasaki Ninja 300’s and Yamaha R3’s. (Patrick Hirschfeld #2011829)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 12 no)
Entry #8667 Section 10.12.1 d
Any single (under 400cc) or twin (under 350cc) cylinder four-stroke production motorcycle up to 400cc sold in the U.S. with a street-legal VIN. The Ninja 400 is limited to Supersport specifications (see9.8.1) otherwise it must compete in SOT3.
Eligible machines include (but not limited to):
- Honda CBR 300
- Kawasaki Ninja 250/300
- KTM RC390R/Duke
- Suzuki GSX 250R
- Yamaha YZF-R3 etc.
(Drew Jankord #2011918)
Committee Recommendation: Accept
Discussion: DR motioned to vote, AK seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 11 no)
Vintage Motocross
Entry #8601 Section 11.1.11
11.1.11 SPORTSMAN 125: 88-125cc two-stroke and 88-150cc four-stroke motorcycles through the 1974 model year, and like-design machines. Eligible like-design 1975 model machines include (see “like design” note below):
- Bultaco, see note at end of Sportsman rules
- Can-Am 125 TNT
- Honda CR125 (VIN CR125ME-200000 & CR 125M-200000 series only)
- Honda MT 125 1975/1976 (VIN MT125E-200000, MT125-200000, MTE125E-300000 & MT125-300000 series only) Honda XL 125 1974-1975
- Kawasaki KX125
- Suzuki TM100, TM125
- Yamaha DT 125, 1975
- Yamaha YZ125, MX125
(Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KS motioned to vote for both 8601 and 8602, TT seconded
June Board: yes (12 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8602 Section 11.1.12 Sportsman 250
11.1.12 SPORTSMAN 250: Motorcycles manufactured as 126-250cc two-strokes or 151-300cc four-strokes through the 1974 model year, and like-design machines. Eligible like-design 1975 model machines include (see “like design” note below):
- Bultaco 250 Pursang (serial #135; must use 1974-configuration swingarm). Also see note at end of Sportsman rules.
- Can-Am 175 TNT, 250 TNT (also 1976 175 TNT/OR). 250cc engines must have 57.5mm stroke CZ 250 Falta (1974-configuration swingarm encouraged)
- Honda MT 250 1975 (VIN MT250E-2000001-2013866, MT250-2000001-2013866)
- Honda MT 250 1976 (VIN MT250E-3000001-3004003, MT250-3000001-3004003)
- Honda XL 175 1975-1978
- Honda XL 250 1975
- Husqvarna 250WR (Eng N. MK-10500, Fr N. 2043)
- Kawasaki KX250 (also 1976)
- Ossa Desert Phantom 250 (1974-configuration swingarm encouraged) Suzuki TM250 (1974-configuration swingarm encouraged), also TS model
- Yamaha MX175
- Yamaha DT 175 1975 and Yamaha DT 250 1975
(Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: KS motioned to vote for both 8601 and 8602, TT seconded
June Board: yes (12 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8603 Section 11.6 Series Points, Awards
c) A rider must score points in at least four events to be eligible for series awards, or according to requirements as published in AHRMA MAG from time to time.
d)[no change]
e) Year-end scoringties will be broken as follows: Year-end scoring ties will go to the rider who accumulated the most points during head-to-head competition. If still tied or if they did not compete against each other, year-end scoring ties will be broken by the greatest number of moto wins, then second-place moto finishes, third place, In the event of an absolute tie, the oldest rider wins.
National Championship Series year-end awards are based on a rider’s best finishes in a maximum number of events. The maximum number of “best finishes” to count toward the championship will be specified by the Off Road Director and announced prior to the beginning of each season. A rider must earn points in the minimum number of events specified by the Off Road Director to be eligible for year-end awards. In the event of a year-end scoring tie, the advantage will go to the rider who accumulated the most points at the National Championship Final. If after the Final there is still a tie, the older rider on the date of the Final will win.(Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: LS motioned to vote on approving this verbiage for VMX / PVMX / NGMX, seconded AN
June Board: yes (12 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8604 Section 11.7 Race Procedures
1. e) All events where a “rubber band” or “flag” start is used, riders must have their front wheels in the start line ditch, behind the line of the rubber band, or other start line markers (as specified by the starter), at the time the rubber band is released or flag is waved. Failure to do so can will result in a the loss of three finishing positions in the moto, at the discretion of the referee. A rider who jumps the start and causes a false start requiring the moto to be restarted will be penalized four finishing positions in the moto. There are no other penalties;ie, starting backward, hand on helmet, etc (Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: yes (12 yes / 0 no)
Entry #8664 New
For Vintage Motocross, PV Motocross and Next Gen Motocross, add:
National series awards are based on a riders best finishes in 6 National events plus the National final in the series. (Bob Bean #10830)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AN motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: no (0 yes / 12 no)
Post Vintage Motocross
Entry #8622 12.3 ULTIMA – CLASSES AND ELIGIBILITY
12.3 ULTIMA – CLASSES AND ELIGIBILITY The Ultima classes are for machines that bring us to the brink of the modern motocross motorcycle. Generally, the distinguishing formula specifications for the Ultima classes is are as follows: Motorcycles produced with liquid-cooling and linkage-type rear suspension are acceptable, but those produced with having disc brakes or any type of power-valve mechanism built directly into the engine are not. (Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, AN seconded
June Board: yes ( 10 yes / 0 no / 1 abstain DR)
Observed Trials
Entry #8547
Note: A 3-year moratorium on adding new observed trials classes is in effect, beginning in 2024. (Debbie Poole #542)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: yes ( 10 yes / 2 no AN, AK )
Entry #8588 12.5 (d)
13.2.6 ALL MODIFICATIONS MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE CLASS. Period modifications have been extensively documented and machines wit obvious non-period or excessive modifications will be disqualified or required to compete in the next-higher-level class. Two-strokes in Classic classes must have piston-port induction; reed valves will be permitted if it was a factory modification by a recognized service agent in the same production series for such motorcycle. 125cc and smaller would also be exempt are not legal. Only round-slide carburetors may be used (see 11.2.c) Reproduction D-shaped carburetors and round slide carburetors are permitted in observed trials.
11.2(c) applies to MX and provides in pertinent part:
Modern replacement smooth bore carburetors are not permitted in motocross.
In addition 12.5d provides:
Period flat-slide Mikuni TM carburetors are allowed only on Ultima class motorcycles. Mikuni TMX and Keihin PJ and PWK flat-slide carburetors are not permitted. Modern D-shape-slide or similar equivalent aftermarket OKO, and Chinese made reproduction carburetors are not allowed in AHRMA Post Vintage Modern D-shape-slide or similar equivalent aftermarket OKO, and Chinese made reproduction carburetors are allowed.
Other rules affected:
11.2(c) applies to MX and provides in pertinent part: Modern replacement smooth bore carburetors are not permitted.
In addition 12.5d provides:
Period flat-slide Mikuni TM carburetors are allowed only on Ultima class motorcycles. Mikuni TMX and Keihin PJ and PWK flat-slide carburetors are not permitted. Modern D-shape-slide or similar equivalent aftermarket OKO, and Chinese made reproduction carburetors are not allowed in AHRMA Post Vintage
(Peter Steilberg #9574)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: no ( 1 yes DR / 11 no )
Entry #8605 Section 13.6.d SERIES POINTS, AWARDS
d) National Championship Series year-end awards are based on a rider’s best finishes in a maximum number of events. The maximum number of “best finishes” to count toward the championship will be published in AHRMA MAG at the beginning of each season. A rider must earn points in a minimum number of events as published in AHRMA MAG to be eligible for year-end awards. Year-end scoring ties will be broken as follows: First, by the number of first-place finishes; second by rider age, with the oldest rider winning. National Championship Series year-end awards are based on a rider’s best finishes in a maximum number of events. The maximum number of “best finishes” to count toward the championship will be specified by the Off Road Director and announced prior to the beginning of each season. A rider must earn points in the minimum number of events specified by the Off Road Director to be eligible for year-end awards. In the event of a year-end scoring tie, the advantage will go to the rider who accumulated the most points at the National Championship Final. If after the Final there is still a tie, the older rider on the date of the Final will win. (Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: yes ( 10 yes / 0 no / 2 abstain AK, CA )
Dirt Track
Entry #8552 Section 14.2.11 VINTAGE LIGHT
VINTAGE LIGHT: Open to all machines 1990 and older up to and including 300cc 400cc. Custom tubular racing frames allowed. (Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: yes ( 10 yes / 2 no AN,AK )
Entry #8553 Section 14.2.12 VINTAGE HEAVY
VINTAGE HEAVY: Open to all machines 1990 and older 301cc 401cc and larger. Custom tubular racing frames allowed. (Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: TT motioned to vote, AK seconded
June Board: yes (10 yes /0 no )
Entry #8561 Section 14.2.14 SUPPORT CLASSES
14.2.14 SUPPORT CLASSES: May be run as support classes at the promoter’s discretion. Modern Support Classes:
- 250 Pro/Am
- 450 Pro/Am
- Hooligan (multi-cylinder, 700cc and larger production machines) Mad Dog (four-stroke, air-cooled up to 150cc) Youth Support Classes:
50cc: age 5-9 65cc: age 6-11
75-125cc: (4-Stk.) age up to 12
Youth Mad Dog: 4-stroke air-cooled up to 150cc, age 16 and under
(Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AA thought we tabled? CA agreed. KS motioned to vote to table until Laguna Seca, AK seconded
June Board: yes (10 yes / 0 no ) – proposal tabled until Laguna Seca
Entry #8562 Section 14.1.d
14.1 RIDER ELIGIBILITY/EQUIPMENT:
d) The minimum Rider age: is
Displacement/Age Progression:
Vintage Classes:
- 0-500cc’s 4 stroke- 16yrs old or older (with parental waiver under 18yrs)
- 501cc’s and up 4 stroke- 18yrs old and older
- 0-400cc’s 2 stroke- 16yrs old or older (with parental waiver under 18yrs)
- 401cc’s and up 2 stroke- 18yrs old and older
Modern Classes:
- 0-250cc’s 2 and 4 stroke- 16yrs old and up (with parental waiver under 18yrs)
- 251cc’s and up 2 and 4 stroke- 18yrs old and up
(Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: AK motioned to vote to table until Laguna Seca (same as 8561), KS seconded
June Board: yes (10 yes / 0 no ) – proposal tabled until Laguna Seca
Entry #8574 Section 14.2.2 LIGHT BRAKELESS
14.2.2 LIGHT BRAKELESS (provisional for 2023): Open to all machines 1968 and older up to and including 300cc. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model. An aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson. (Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: Discussion regarding cut off date – AMA vs. AHRMA. KS motioned to vote to leave provisional through 2024, AK seconded
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 8 no / 3 abstain CA, GT, TT)
Entry #8575 Section 14.2.3 HEAVY BRAKELESS
14.2.3 HEAVY BRAKELESS (provisional for 2023): Open to all machines 1968 and older 301cc and larger. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model, an aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson. (Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: Same as 8574 – KS motioned to vote to leave provisional through 2024, AK seconded, seconded
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 8 no / 3 abstain CA, GT, TT)
Entry #8615 Section 14.2.2
14.2.2 LIGHT BRAKELESS (provisional for 2023):Open to all machines 1968 andolder up to and including 300cc. The motorcycle engine, transmission and framemust be from the same manufacturer and model. An aftermarket rigid racingframe may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson.
14.2.2 CLASSIC 250: 1967 and earlier and approved-design machines up to 250cc. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model, an aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson. The following machines are eligible:
- Aermacchi (H-D Sprint), all 250cc AJS Stormer 250
- BSA C15, B25, all
- Bultaco round-barrel, round-case four- and five-speed (engine & frame serial #prefix 3-45, 63, 66, 67) CZ twin-port
- Ducati ESO
- Greeves Challenger 250 Honda CB/CL72
- Husqvarna “bolt-together” pre-’68 only (no Sportsman components) Jawa twin-port
- Kawasaki A1
- Maico, with OEM iron barrel Matchless G2
- Montesa four-speed (Serial # prefix 02-18, 23-25, 33, 53 small barrel)
- Ossa four-speed (no DMR chassis) (Serial #153000-155999, #250000-262999 and #280000-280999) Parilla
- Suzuki T20 X6 (no T250s) Triumph Tiger 70, Cub, TR25W
- Villiers-powered machines (Greeves, Dot, James, Norman, etc.)
- Yamaha 250cc racing twins up to TD1C and street-based replicas using vertically split case engines
a) Two-strokes are limited to 32mm carburetors on singles, 28mm twins, except Ossas may run OEM 33mm IRZ
(Beno Rodi #143)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 11 no )
Entry #8616 14.2.3 HEAVY BRAKELESS
14.2.3 HEAVY BRAKELESS (provisional for 2023):Open to all machines 1968 and older 301cc and larger. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model, an aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson.
14.2.3 CLASSIC 500/750: 1967 and earlier and approved-design machines up to 500cc, including 750cc sidevalve bikes. The motorcycle engine, transmission and frame must be from the same manufacturer and model, an aftermarket rigid racing frame may be substituted, e.g., Sonicweld or Swanson. Eligible machines are:
- Aermacchi 350 (H-D Sprint), all
- Ariel 500 singles or twins, VB 600 sidevalve single AJS/Matchless four-stroke singles, twins
- AJS Stormer 370/410
- BSA A7, A50, B31/32/33/34, Gold Star, B40, B44, M20, M21
- Bultaco El Bandido, Montadero (Serial # prefix 17, 18, 50, 51, 61, 70 and 81)
- CZ 360 twin-port
- Ducati 350, 450
- Greeves Challenger 360 Harley-Davidson KR
- Honda CL77, CB450 Black Bomber four-speed (serial #CB4501000001- CB4502999999) utilizing torsion-bar valve control system
- Husqvarna 360 “bolt-together” pre-’68 only (no Sportsman components) Maico 360 oval barrel
- Montesa 360 Cappra four-speed (serial # prefix 36, 46 and 66)
- Norton 500 singles, twins, 600 sidevalve
- Royal-Enfield singles, twins (including new-production Enfield singles) Triumph pre-unit or unit twins
- Velocette
- Yamaha Big Bear Scrambler, Catalina
(Beno Rodi #143)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 11 no )
Entry #8629 Section 14.2.1 DINOSAUR
14.2.1 DINOSAUR: 1951 and earlier, 500cc OHV or 750cc sidevalve. The motorcycle engine, transmission, frame, and forks must be from the same manufacturer and model. Like-design models also are permitted. All major components must be OEM parts that existed prior to 1951, or accurate, detailed replicas of the same parts using the same type materials and technologies, unless specifically. The burden of authenticating is upon the rider.
Press clippings and photos with identifiable date may be helpful. There are no restrictions on internal modifications, except the stroke may not be changed from the original specifications and the bore may not exceed the .080” overbore limit. (Beno Rodi #143)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: LS motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: yes ( 11 yes / 0 no )
Entry #8649 Section 14.2.6 SPORTSMAN 360
14.2.6 SPORTSMAN 600 360: 1974 and earlier machines manufactured as 251-600cc, including like-design models. (Richard Brodock #1012964)
Committee Recommendation: Approve
Discussion: LS motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: yes ( 11 yes / 0 no )
Cross Country
Entry #8559 Section 15.1.2 k)
k) Rule of “65”, the Retirement Class: This class is open to any rider age 50 or older on any machine (single cylinder up to 501cc) not otherwise eligible to race in another vintage class, such that the age of the rider and the age of the machine when added together equal 65 or Rider age is as of January 1 of the competition year. Age of machine is based on chassis VIN. Class is further subdivided to Novice, Intermediate and Expert. (Michael DeRoche #2011248)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AK motioned to vote, LS seconded
June Board: no ( 0 yes / 12 no)
Entry #8619 Section 15.3.11
15.3.11 Cross country races will may be split into two sessions at the discretion of the race director, with the vintage motorcycles first, followed by the post vintage motorcycles after with a sufficient break to allow those entering both events to have a short rest. (Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: AA motioned to vote, KS seconded
June Board: yes ( 11 yes / 1 no GT)
Entry #8620 Section 15.4 SERIES POINTS, AWARDS
a) National series awards are based on a rider’s best finishes in half-plus-one of the total number of events in the series. In the event of a year-end scoring tie, the advantage will go to the rider who accumulated the most points during headto-head competition in a minimum of three races. If still tied or if they did not compete against each other in at least three races, year-end scoring ties will be broken by the greatest number of wins, then the most second-place finishes, then third places, etc., from the best half-plus-one finishes. In case of an absolute tie, the older rider wins. A rider must score in at least four races to be eligible for a year-end award.
National Championship Series year-end awards are based on a rider’s best finishes in a maximum number of events. The maximum number of “best finishes” to count toward the championship will be specified by the Off Road Director and announced prior to the beginning of each season. A rider must earn points in the minimum number of events specified by the Off Road Director to be eligible for year-end awards. In the event of a year-end scoring tie, the advantage will go to the rider who accumulated the most points at the National Championship Final. If after the Final there is still a tie, the older rider on the date of the Final will win. (Kelly Shane #1124)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: GT motioned to vote, AN seconded
June Board: yes ( 9 yes / 2 no AK, CA / 1 abstain MD)
Entry #8621 Section 15.3.1
15.3.1 It is recommended that a cross country track not be less than three miles in length. For safety reasons, the entire course should be laid out and pre-run by someone riding a four-wheeler. The course must be at least 36 inches wide at handlebar level. One parade lap for all competitors is strongly encouraged. may be run at the discretion of the Race Director.
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: FG motioned to vote, TT seconded
June Board: yes (8 yes / 4 no AK, FG, GT, TT)
Entry #8648 15.1.1d CLASSIC
CLASSIC: Includes all machines eligible for Classic and Early Sportsman Stock (ESS) classes in Vintage MX(not further divided into engine-displacement classes; Classic 125 machines may compete in Sportsman 200).
Sportsman Open Twins MX machines are eligible for this class (see rule 11.1.14). Regardless of original displacement, engines maybe built to the class limit (plus allowable overbore) (Richard Colahan #16126)
Committee Recommendation: Reject
Discussion: DR motioned to vote, GT seconded
June Board: ( 8 yes / 2 no GT, TT / 2 abstain CA, MD)
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sec13.6.d i feel VERY strongly that ” head to head” competition should remain as a tie breaker, and not just at the year end, double points championship event. to me, it is the best determinant of how to break a tie, especially, if the tie is of perfect scores. i was involved in changing this same rule in the cross-country events years back, so i’ll discuss the events from years back that predicated this rule change in CC, when discussing he same rule change there later in this email
sec13.6.di feel VERY strongly that ” head to head” competition should remain as a tie breaker, and not just at the year end, double points championship event. to me, it is the best determinant of how to break a tie, especially, if the tie is of perfect scores. i was involved in changing this same rule in the cross-country events years back, so i’ll discuss the events from years back that predicated this rule change in CC rules proposal 8620 as well
Road racing with AHRMA since 2015, I retired my Honda twin race bike and switched to Vintage MX in 2022. The only class I raced the final three years was Formula 125. My son raced 200GP, 250GP, Moto Le Mans and Formula 125 through 2022 when his son was born which limited his 2023 racing. He was making plans to return; this rule change proposal may change his mind.
This proposal to eliminate Honda twins is disappointing. It will mean fewer bikes on the F125 grid. I have built numerous, fast Honda twin race bikes for these classes. Many of the 200GP and Moto Le Mans riders also race F125. This rule change would bring an end to that. There’s another reason this proposal is misguided: a Honda twin cannot outrun a well-built (and lighter weight by at least 30 pounds) Yamaha YCS1 with 22mm carburetors. I know this from years of on-track experience. While I understand the reasoning behind this proposal (attracting more vintage two-stroke machines), there may not be a net gain in the number of F125 entries on the grid.
This proposal will affect grid sizes, AHRMA revenue and eliminate an interesting vintage race bike diversity and two-stroke/four-stroke competition. I find it hard to believe this vote was unanimous. Were all the above-mentioned facts and factors even discussed?
If I were still road racing, this would mean an end to my involvement. This is a step in the wrong direction for member relations.
Don’t forget AHRMA’s Vintage Road Racing Mission Statement.
My son and I have been road racing with AHRMA since 2015. I retired my 1968 Honda CL175 twin race bike and switched to Vintage MX in 2022. The only class I competed in the final three years was Formula 125. My son raced 200GP, 250GP, Moto Le Mans and Formula 125 through last year when his son was born, which limited his 2023 racing, but he was making plans to return in 2024. This proposal may change his mind. He likes to maximize his fun and track time by racing multiple classes.
This proposal is misguided. It will mean fewer bikes on the F125 grid. I have built many Honda twin race bikes for these classes. Most of the Hondas in 200GP, Moto Le Mans and F125 are equipped with 24mm or 26mm carburetors. Many of the 200GP and Moto Le Mans riders also race F125. This rule change would bring an end to that unless riders change carbs or add restrictor plates between races (impractical). There’s another reason this proposal is misguided: even with the larger carburetors, a Honda twin cannot outrun a well-built (and lighter weight by at least 30 pounds) Yamaha YCS1 with 22mm carburetors. I know this from years of on-track experience.
This rule change will affect grid sizes and AHRMA revenue and eliminate an interesting vintage race bike diversity and two-stroke/four-stroke competition. I find it hard to believe this vote was unanimous.
This is a step in the wrong direction for member relations.
Don’t ignore AHRMA’s Vintage Road Racing Mission Statement.
My attempt to comment was rejected. Too many characters. There should be no limit on the size of a comment. Some of these proposals require more than 1500 characters (with spaces). My frustration level with AHRMA elevated once again.
The Cross Country Committee said No
The Cross Country Coordinator said No
Cross Country Racers said No
Board of Trustees should also say No.
The proposed code of conduct contains too many ambiguities and discrepancies. If this proposal or the current code of conduct are utilized there will continue to be a negative environment. I suggest voting no to this proposal and removing the current Code of Conduct.
There are various issues with this proposal.
Example: There is lack of clear definitions for infractions and the corresponding level of action they warrant. It is crucial for the code of conduct to provide specific guidelines on what actions constitute which level of offense. Without such clarity, it becomes too easy for the ED and the board to use the code of conduct for self serving purposes.
Additionally, I would like to express my concern about the lack of consequences outlined for the Executive Director (ED) and trustees in cases where they have been proven to have wrongly suspended individuals. To maintain the integrity of the code of conduct, it is vital that all parties, regardless of their position, are held accountable for their actions. I recommend including appropriate measures to address such situations.
I believe that a straightforward and easily understandable code of conduct will promote consistency, fairness, and accountability among all AHRMA members.
15.3.1 It is recommended that a cross country track not be less than three miles in length. For safety reasons, the entire course should be laid out and pre-run by someone riding a four-wheeler. The course must be at least 36 inches wide at handlebar level. One parade lap for all competitors is strongly encouraged. may be run at the discretion of the Race Director.
1. Entire – Have you tried to ride a quad on an off camber? It may not be physically possible, and yet perfectly safe for a bike.
2. Must be – Those words would require someone with a ruler to check the entire course before a race. Also, please, define “handlebar height”. Different bikes have different heights. Totally unenforceable. And what is the penalty if it is not 36 inches wide?
3. Is there really a difference between strongly encouraged and may be run at the discretion of the Race Director? Yes, “strongly encouraged” still gives the race Director the option, but shows that it is the preferred procedure.
Why are you trying to “fix” something that is not broken?The Offroad Director already has enough to do, and does not need the additional work of deciding the minimum and best of number of races for cross country. By changing the numbers every year, you are making it more difficult for members to plan and request vacation days in order to go to the races. A National Final for a tie breaker? The current rule (15.4.a) already gives the advantage to the rider who accumulates the most points in head to head competition. We are not MXers.
15.3.11 Cross country races will may be split into two sessions at the discretion of the race director, with the vintage motorcycles first, followed by the post vintage motorcycles after with a sufficient break to allow those entering both events to have a short rest.
The way this rule is written the default procedure would be to have 1 cross country race with both vintage and post vintage bikes racing at the same time. What about the members who ride both vintage and post vintage? If it is ok to put vintage and post vintage bikes out on the same track together, let’s do it in MX too. Safety should be a consideration. At the discretion of the race director – when will this decision be made? Weeks before the event or at the riders meeting? No guidelines as to the timing of this decision are given. A National event should be held to higher standards and race procedures should be consistent – a vintage race and a post vintage race.
The rule proposal on Section 3.3.14 appears to have some serious typos in the [ must be may be open- or] area of the first sentence. Was the intent of this proposal to do away with open face helmets for AHRMA MX & Cross Country? It that is the intent then the words “may be open – or” should be crossed out, and the words “must be” should be underlined. If that is how this proposal was intended then this typo has changed the meaning of the proposal by about 180 degrees and it should be fixed. All that being said I am not in favor of eliminating open face helmet use in AHRMA MX & Cross County.
It has been brought to my attention that this rule proposal was to ban open face helmets in AHRMA VMX/PVMX. I don’t see that specific wording, however, I am very much against any banning of open face helmets, I have been racing with open face helmets for 17 years and I have never questioned them being unsafe. Thank you for taking member comments into consideration.
Maybe the author of this 2024 Rule Proposal, Richard Brodock, can chime in on this.
Richard: Is your proposal accurately transcribed above? Should the words “may be open- or” be crossed out, and the words “must be” underlined?
I urge you to vote NO on proposal 8568 revising Code Of Conduct. I also support deleting the code completely.
The Nina 400 has brought out one of ahrmas biggest classes , I support the bike staying in sot4 . I see people commenting that the ninja is a v twin , shows how misinformed they are . A good rider on either bike will win . Keep the class as is ahrma needs the entries .
SOT4 was already one of the biggest classes before the addition of the Ninja 400. At Barber 2022 it was the second largest grid only to SOT2 and had been growing every round up to then. Everyone that’s on a 400 can enter SOT3 if they choose. AHRMA would not have to lose any entries. The 400 out-classes the rest of the field all things being equal.
The data isn’t there to support that comment. 26 bikes for Barber, All RC390. 15 for Daytona. 19 Gingerman. The class is stagnant with 2022 rules. Look at MA Junior Cup. Successful. Lots of entries. A RC390 winning.
A class that allows 400cc isnt going to allow a 400cc bike to run? But is should run with 650cc? You had your chance last year when this was submitted and approved. We’re going to tell 20 members that they cant race in SOT4 any more because people feel they are too fast in Superstock form. Look at the finishes. 2023 has 5 wins by RC390, 4 wins by N400, 1 win by R3. Thats data.
Kevin, you’re saying in the first year of the class it was stagnant when it went from 15, to 19, to 26? 26 race entries was the second largest class at Barber without ninja 400s, that sounds like the antithesis of stagnation to me.
AHRMA is not MotoAmerica Junior Cup and doesn’t need to occupy the same space as every other club racing organization in the country who all have class structures to cater to the Ninja 400 (CCS, WERA, CRA, MRA, CMRA, etc.) The mission statement for Sound of Thunder classes in the handbook reads: “AHRMA’s mission is to showcase single-, twin, three-cylinder and electric motorcycles which historically have been under-represented in modern road racing” The ninja 400 is anything but under represented. MA junior cup is dominated by Ninja 400s and only has one RC390. Furthermore, the Ninja 400 is required to run a RESTRICTOR PLATE for MA Jr. Cup while the RC390 / R3 are allowed concessions (overbore, high lift cams, etc.)
I’m for Drew’s entry of not having the Ninja 400s in the SOT4 class.
To my knowledge, the Philip Island Challenge class is currently the only class allowing aftermarket frames which were a hallmark of the custom race builders of the 1970’s and 80’s. In the spirit of supporting unique historic race bikes of the era, and as an active racer currently running a 1977 Rickman CR and sponsor of this class, I would like the boards consideration to retain this class until there is a place for race bikes from vintage performance builders such as Rickman, Seeley, Harris, and Sponden.
I vote yes to return the rules back to 2022 for SOT4. It would be best just to make a class for these Kawasaki 400’s . racing against them this year has been a challenge , you have to put a ton of money in the RC390 just to keep up.
I like to use data to make a comparison because numbers are impartial. So far in 2023 RC390 has 5 wins, N400 has 4 wins, R3 has 1 win.
At RRR on Saturday you finished 27 of 34 bikes, there were 13 RC390 in front of you, 7 N400, 4 R3 and 1 N300. Won by RC390. Sunday you finished 23/29, there were 9 RC390 in front of you, 8 N400, 3 R3, 1 N300. Won by RC390. At CMP on Saturday you finished 23/35, there were 9 RC390 in front, 9 N400, 2 R3, 1 N300.Won by N400. On Sunday you finished 11/35. There were 4 RC390 in front, 4 N400, 1 R3, 1 N300. Won by N400. At Heartland you finished 11/21. There were 2 Rc390 in front, 6 N400, 2 R3. Won by R3. On Sunday you finished 12/20. There were 3 RC390 in front, 6 N400, 2 R3, won by RC390. At Hastings on Saturday you finished 10/12. There were 2 Rc390 in front, 6 N400, 1 R3. Won by RC390. Sunday you finished 9/12. There were 2 Rc390 in front, 6 N400. Won by Rc390.
It looks to me like there is parity in the field of bikes. I’ve read false statements about horsepower numbers and now statements about how difficult it is too race against a N400, when in fact the RC390 has an equal if not better record thus far. I think the BOT got it right too. Keep the N400 as it is.
While I haven’t had my 400 for very long..I agree with Kevin we all seem to be evenly matched…The races at njmp seemed to be pretty competitive, there where a couple 390’s I couldn’t catch and a couple I could. Really appears to be a evenly matched group of racers…
I vote to return SOT4 to the 2022 season rule. Look at the 2023 class standings and the KTM 390 has no shot competing against the v-twin Ninja 400. I know 10 cc’s doesn’t sound like a lot but when you look at HP the KTM is at a huge disadvantage, I have seen dyno numbers on the Ninja that are as much as 10 HP more. When you have this small of a displacement bike, 10 HP is huge. A better rider can’t make up for that difference. My KTM dyno’d at 42 HP. That is 100% stock motor. I don’t mind racing at the same time as the ninja but the KTM but both need there own class.
Noel, that’s incorrect. Where have you seen dyno numbers? Dyno’d my bike at CMP, makes 47 hp in Superstock form. Eric Watts makes same numbers. Look at finishing order. RRR had a RC390 dominate. CMP, I won both by narrow margin over Eric and we both checked out on the field. Heartland was R3 winning. You need more accurate data. The RC390, R3, etc are open to building as much H.P. as you want, leaving it stock is your option while its mandatory for the N400. 40 bikes on the grid is exciting. Also its not a V-twin, its parallel twin.
Fully support the board’s decision to say NO to removing the Ninja 400 from SOT4. There is parity in the class and its working 30 plus entries at many events. It will kill the class if the Ninja 400 is removed.
Professional racers can be good for AHRMA marketing. Particularly at the last race of the year, having a Professional racer win or place well in a race can harm other member racers by taking away points, with no recourse. This is a normal part of racing. However, what should be protected against is a close points competitor hiring a professional racer to seal their own championship by diverting points. The Race Director should have the authority to investigate the situation and revise the points of the other racers as if there had not been a Professional racer in the race. Trophies should probably be handled normally per the race finish.
Code of conduct should be removed from the rule book and replaced with two simple lines stating the boundaries and should be governed by a panel of members , trustees and Ed should be held to a higher standard and that not what we are seeing as members .
It seems to me that this legalease “Code” is similar to a hammer killing a mosquito. We should all be racing for fun and not anger. Our elected or appointed officials should have thicker skins and hopefully a more friendly and helpful posture that would encourage better communication amongst all parties. I reject the codifying of this which would restrict situational flexibility and would have a chilling effect on members, just when we need more members.
Provisionals are meant for a 1 year period. This rule was passed and adopted in 2021. In 2022 the board admitted they made a mistake during the rules proposal process and voted to reverse the new rule. When this was pointed out to the board they granted a provisional to keep the rules and I was instructed to resubmit the rule again in 2023 which I have done. Now Kelly Shane has done what he is best at, delaying progress, by suggesting it be a provisional for another year. This is the same thing he has done for 3 years straight for the mono shock trials class. We need to stop flip flopping and using the term “provisional” as a stall tactic to kick the can down the road. For 2 years now this rule has proven that it has done what it was intended to and that is increase participation in the brakeless class.
I do see there was a discussion about year cut off compared to the AMA and here is the rule word for word from the AMA handbook that shows 1968 is the correct cutoff year and not 1967.
AMA handbook, page 249; “CLASS: 1960s VINTAGE 750cc
Era: 1952-1968
Brakes: On short track, half mile, and mile courses, brakes are not permitted.”
I urge you to do the right thing and vote to pass this rule as you did in 2021.
Provisionals are meant for a 1 year period. This rule was passed and adopted in 2021. In 2022 the board admitted they made a mistake during the rules proposal process and voted to reverse the new rule. When this was pointed out to the board they granted a provisional to keep the rules and I was instructed to resubmit the rule again in 2023 which I have done. Now Kelly Shane has done what he is best at, delaying progress, by suggesting it be a provisional for another year. This is the same thing he has done for 3 years straight for the mono shock trials class. We need to stop flip flopping and using the term “provisional” as a stall tactic to kick the can down the road. For 2 years now this rule has proven that it has done what it was intended to and that is increase participation in the brakeless class.
I do see there was a discussion about year cut off compared to the AMA and here is the rule word for word from the AMA handbook that shows 1968 is the correct cutoff year and not 1967.
AMA handbook, page 247; “CLASS: 1960s VINTAGE 250cc Era: 1952-1968
Acceptable Configurations: 0-250cc.
Brakes: On short track, half mile, and mile courses, brakes are not permitted.”
I urge you to do the right thing and vote to pass this rule as you did in 2021.
AHRMA has a decades long history of pro racers showing up in road racing and other classes [In fact, I remember just over a decade ago when AHRMA Daytona BOTT classes still paid out prize money to top finishers….]. Ive raced with Larry Pegram. Gary Nixon. Jay Springsteen. Gianfranco Guareschi. Stephano Mesa, Josh Hayes, et al. It’s awesome having them out with us. In any case, I see no need for additional rules to regulate pro riders’ presence. The absence of any significant prize money or related incentives already minimizes pro attendance at our events. Pro riders at our events can be used to promote the AHRMA brand. We should be encouraging such exceptional riders to show up at our races, not disincentivizing them.
While Dirt track and off road have similar rules restricting Current Pro racers from taking points and awards away from Club members Road race has no such rule.
I see that both 8548 and 8549 were “Accepted” by the rules committee the board voted them both down. At least one member of the board is BIAS and should recuse. This rule is important to club members and should be uniform throughout all disciplines in the Organization. In the spirit of good sportsmanship and fair play, Current pros should not be allowed to take points and awards away from club/Non current pro racers. This has been a “rule of thumb “, Consistent practice for many years in the pro ranks. There was never honor in claiming a victory from a club racer.
Re: Entry # 8621. I had to read this one twice to make sure I understood it. To suggest that “the entire CC course should be laid out and pre-run by someone riding a four-wheeler. The course must be at least 36 inches wide at handlebar level” is contrary to what most eastern US riders consider a proper CC course. To be clear…I absolutely understand that CC events in the western and southwestern states are more open and fast. Out there…hey! Do what you like! But here in the east…and certainly also in the mid-west and south…a well cut, well groomed, flowing single track trail is a delight! In fact…it’s WHY many of us race Vintage Cross Country! Including this 72 year old. I strongly suggest the BOT reconsider their vote to approve this anonymously submitted proposal. And I suggest that those that enjoy CC racing “in the woods” express their concerns to the BOT using the “Email all Trustees” function. Richard Colahan 16126
I agree with Mr. Colahan’s comments. In addition, a more open CC course with foster higher speeds and more potential for serious injuries in contrast to the stated purpose of the rule change. Please vote No on this proposed rule change.
Please vote no to this change. Statements by Mr. Ragon and Mr. Colahan are valid and proven in regions promoting woods- style cross country racing.
The rule change to make all sportsmen and f750 1 mm over max was poorly thought out and will only hurt the classes because many long time twins racers have lots of time and money into motors at class limit of 750 cc plus .060 over . To help save a couple guys a few hundred will cost many thousands if they even come out again . Please vote this down or allow an over bore of 1mm over for the 4 cylinders . Thanks
Agree with Tim. this was poorly worded. If the SOHC 4 Honda motors needed a 62mm bore to get “off the shelf” pistons, that’s how the proposal needs to be written. We’ve wandered into territory where other existing rules will be affected. Safer to say NO for 2023 voting and the proposal submitted next year in a more clear manner.
Confusing rule regarding allowed overbore. 4 cylinders should stay at .020 allowed over bore. 4X .040 = .160 total overbore versus 2X .040= .080 or 2 X .060 =.120 over overall displacement increase . Leave the rule alone
Re: RCP Entry # 8648, my RCP to add ESS machines to the Cross Country Classic Class (section 15.1.1.d). My RCP also included a statement of “rationale”…in other words why the RCP makes good sense. For your info…pasted below is the text of my rationale statement for this RCP. If you are an active CC racer and support this RCP, please share your support with the BOT via the “Email All Trustees” function.
“The Cross Country Vintage Classic class continues to draw very few entries. At the same time, Vintage machines listed under the ESS classes are seldom raced in the Cross Country Vintage Sportsman classes. It’s easy to see why…look at some of the ESS machine comparisons to current Sportsman class machines. Most racers are NOT going to race an oval-case 4 speed Husqvarna against a 6 speed 250WR. Nor a CT-1, DT-1, RT-1, QUB, F7, F8 etc etc against a Can Am 175/250, a Honda CR 250, a Yamaha YZ 250 or a KTM Engined Penton 175. Adding the ESS class bikes to the Cross Country Classic class may help to grow the class, by getting some of those old bikes out and prepped for racing…just what AHRMA is striving for!”
I agree w/ Mr. Colahans RCP and rationale. For the purpose of Cross Country, Add the Early Sportsman Stock bikes to the Classic classification. Currently , Both ESS and Classic bikes are under represented in Cross Country and could run in the same class.
I believe the intent of this change was to allow 4 cylinder Formula 750 and Sportsman 750 machine to use a commonly available piston set that is 1mm overbore (~0.04″). I feel that is fair, and have no issue with increasing the 4 cylinder overbore allowance from 0.02″ to 0.04″. However, the way this change is written implies that *all* F750 and Sportsman 750 machine are limited to a 0.04″ overbore. This would make many twins illegal, as the current twin overbore is 0.06″. I suggest this:
Four stroke cylinders may be overbored by a maximum of .080”, singles; .060”, twins; .040”, triples; and .040”, fours. Two stroke cylinders may be overbored by a maximum of .080”. To determine displacement limits, .080”, .060”, and .020”, as appropriate, shall be subtracted from the actual bore prior to calculation.
Requiring modern bike racers to race an historic bike at least once prior to racing a modern bike will exclude racers, like me, who own and race a modern bike but don’t own an historic bike. I’m pleased the Board isn’t interested in this proposal as it would only result in fewer entries for AHRMA.